Do you believe the WWE will be in business in ten years? - By Jungmuta

[Guest The Crippler]

Jung did a double post of threads. I deleted one and Chris deleted the other at the same time. Doh!

 

Anyway, here is Jungs post:

 

Ok, after recent angles and events, I've honestly started to believe they won't be. Absolutely no future foresight or ideas apart from push Triple H over everyone else, it's just getting ridiculous.

 

At the way they are going I reckon they wont last it, at this rate, and I don't care how much money they supposedly have, cause they'll be losing a lot soon. But what do you think???

[Guest The Crippler]

I think they will still be going. As much as I hate Triple H's push (if he was The Rock or Austin I could understand it, but he really isn't), I think they'll still be going.

[Guest Jung]

Hehe nice guys comedy accident hehe.

 

I should really explain why I think this. Mainly its because I really can't see how they are going to get out of their current rut. With the likelihood that Triple H will be in charge when Vince dies unless he and Steph split, I can't see his push ever dying down, which surely means how will anyone ever be seen as the figurehead if they aren't ever given the chance to shine and be the top star?

 

Plus the writers are becoming more TV orientated and yes men to Vince, and have very little knowledge of wrestling itself, that I really am very wary about their future. If they get past 10, I can't see it being in any decent shape at all.

[Guest Gooneronastick]

Will WWE be around in 10 years? Yes

 

Will it be as good as it has been? I doubt it.

 

I totally agree with the HHH point ( I'm not bashing HHH, just making a point ) and IMO it does resemble the Hogan pushing of the 80's where he got pushed beyond all others. I got sick of Hogan and marked out when he was getting bashed and if I'm honest, I feel the same about HHH.

 

I just hope that WWE come to their senses soon and start pushing other stars as much as HHH before it's too late.

[Guest Jack]

Yes it will be around. Back in 1994 (a period when a lot of people didnt like WWF (I did though)) I bet people were discussing would it be around in 2004 and it is. WWE will always have good and bad periods, this is a bad one, yes, but I have faith Vince will turn it around.

[Spiritchaser 107]

Not the cycle again please.

 

It will be around as long as there are wrestling fans, all it needs is to have wrestling in the title and wrestling fans will watch it.

 

Do I think Jungmuta will be watching? Probably not.

 

Spiritchaser

Wrestling with Shadows

[Guest Boyo]

I'd say WWE in 2004 is in a healthier state than when it was in 1994, and 1994 was the crud before the Attitude Era.

 

WWE now is not bad, per se, just a bit too formulaic.

 

When they give storylines back to the wrestlers and away from the soap writers is when wrestling will pick up again.

 

No one can deliver a convincing match better than the guys who have to act it. A bloke who writes Mills and Boone garbage who has never wrestled in his life will clearly struggle to get it right.

 

Cheers!

[Guest tazz13]

this is currently a giant downturn in business and they still aren't even remotely close to going out of business, so yes they will be around in 10 years

 

they just had a terrible quarter and still made a 4 million dollar profit

 

this is no where near as bad as the mid 90s when they held monday night raw in gymnasiums and were near bankruptcy

 

the company has several HUNDRED million dollars in cash and assets...they aren't going anywhere

[Guest Jung]

I wish people would open up their eyes and stop believing imaginary things.

 

WWE now is no healthier state than it was in 1994. In fact in 94, it wasn't terrible, and there was plenty of potential. You look now it possible people to realistically push and who have you got? In 94 they had Bret, Luger, Yoko, HBK, Hall, Nash, Owen, all getting possible pushes. And now what? Triple H, Orton and JBL? Anyone else they aren't sure with, or don't want to.

 

WWE were nowhere near bankruptcy in the mid 90's.

 

Downturn in businesses is fictional. It's just WWE's excuse for we have a crappy product. People only stop watching something if its not any good, not for no apparent reason at regular intervals.

 

I never said they were gonna go out of business now, its just they aren't making much money at all. They are losing lots on PPV, ratings are if anything getting worse, no future stars are being made, or properly being given time (I won't count JBL, or Orton because we've seen what an affect they've had), and I can't really see a solution, compared to other bad times like 94 and 96, where they were also losing in a competition, where as now there isn't any.

 

Everyone is just having this "when this happens" attitude. What evidence is there to suggest it will happen? As long as Vince and Triple H are in charge, at what point is HHH ever gonna stop being super pushed, and why are they gonna give storylines back to wrestlers? If you look currently one of the main facts to be a WWE writer, is a history of like soap opera or TV writing.

 

Making 4 million profit is less than what Vince McMahon makes in a year, and for a company of what they generate, that ain't much.

 

And the argument about millions of dollars in cash and assets? So did WCW, and what happenes to them?

 

It doesn't matter how much money you've got, if you've got a bad product, and no foreseeable future, there's only one place you're going....

[Guest tazz13]

WWE were nowhere near bankruptcy in the mid 90's.

 

well that's just blatantly incorrect

 

do a search on google, you can find lots of articles about WWE's near bankruptcy in the mid 90s..."we were down and very nearly out" - vince's own words

 

financially it was much, much worse then, and i would argue it was creatively just as bad or worse then as well

[Guest Jayden]

I agree with Jung, this imaginary cycle that people talk about is rubbish. When the product is crap people switch off, when it's good they turn back on. It is a case of wrestling being cool one minute, and not the next, but that's because of what's on offer not because of some ridiculous cycle.

 

I mean, the only reason people can give that WWE will turn things round and survive is that "they always have in the past, it's just a cycle, the future will always mirror the past". To suggest that something will definitely happen simply because it always has is ludicrous.

 

The business has been damaged hugely, WCW and ECW died, everybody gave the fans too much, the business exposed itself, the business lost all its biggest stars and couldn't create any new ones, and the current product in almost all promotions (and really there's only one that makes any money) stinks.

 

The only thing that will keep WWE in business is the fact that they have stack loads of cash. However, while Vince is always so keen to pump money into other things (what has Vince ever done that wasn't wrestling that wasn't a failure? WBF, XFL etc etc) and continues to flood the market with ridiculous numbers of ppv's, two rosters, too many wrestlers (fired a load, then signs up divas who look hot and offer nothing more), terrible booking, and continues to not be able to create another Hogan, and believe me HHH is not another Hogan at all. If people think that he's getting Hogan's 80's push then while the push may be a modern day equivalent when you consider the way today's industry works, the talent isn't even close nor is the overness nor the drawing power.

 

WWE is in trouble, in 10 years the business will be practically dead as it's already dieing. Who actually makes any real money out there anymore? WWE may still be in businss as they simply have too much money to go out of business overnight but they're on their way out too. What are they going to do this time to get people watching again? What have they got left to show us? Nothing, certainly nothing that their creative team can come up with anyway.

 

Anyone who argues that they will still be in business, do so with an argument that doesn't just state "they always have before so they will again, the cycle, the cycle dammit".

[Guest trellian]

Why don't we just meet back here for another post in late November 2014? And then we can ask the same question? Like, do it every 10 years? Now that's a good idea. :xyx

[Guest Tajiri]

The whole cycle argument for entertainment is pretty flawed, or atleast I hope it is or the Backstreet Boyz are about to explode back onto the pop scene again.

[Guest Annoyus]

Jayden says it all here really - the business has damaged itself to such an incredible extent over the last five - ten years or so I think it will be either dead or on its very last legs within ten years. It's over reliance on shock tactics and pushing the envelope and the decline in lasting characters and memorable storytelling is destroying it.

[Guest Keith Would]

The whole cycle argument for entertainment is pretty flawed' date=' or atleast I hope it is or the Backstreet Boyz are about to explode back onto the pop scene again.[/quote']

 

Not totally true, look at how many 80s tours are going around nowadays feat Kim Wilde, T'Pau etc. Duran Duran have just released their first album for ages.

 

A load of 80s thrash metal bands have just reformed, as unfortunately have a few 80s hair metal bands.

 

Football has gone up and down in popularity, some clubs were struggling to get 5,000 in the 80s, now they sell out every match (not just to do with the violence in the 80s)

 

Anyway WWE will still be here in 10 years as somebody said because there will still be wrestling fans. How popular will it be? Who knows! A lot depends on the actual wrestlers, if there are no good ones around, or none with any charisma the shows will suffer regardless of the writing and vice versa, succeeding despite the writing.

 

Oh yeah, and if the Backstreet Boys explode back with loads of songs like Backstreet's Back (as opposed to all those rubbish ballads) then I'll be happy :xyx