Paul 584 Posted December 6, 2004 Share Posted December 6, 2004 Good God above! This is from the most powerful nation on Earth! WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. youngsters participating in federally funded abstinence-only sex-education courses often get inaccurate or misleading information, the Washington Post has reported. According to a congressional staff analysis, some courses teach that touching a person's genitals can lead to pregnancy, abortion can lead to sterility and suicide, and half the gay male teenagers in the United States have tested positive for the AIDS virus, the Post said. The report, prepared for California Democratic Rep. Henry Waxman, reviewed the curricula of more than a dozen projects aimed at preventing teenage pregnancy and sexually transmitted disease, the Post said. The Bush administration will provide $170 million (88 million pounds) next year to groups that teach abstinence only. Several million children age nine to 18 have participated in more than 100 federal abstinence programs since they began in 1999. The report found that 11 of the 13 most commonly used curricula in such programs contained unproved claims, subjective conclusions or outright falsehoods regarding reproductive health, the Post said. Waxman's staff found the curricula included misconceptions such as a 43-day-old foetus is a "thinking person," HIV can be spread through tears and sweat and condoms failed to prevent HIV transmission in 31 percent of the time in heterosexual intercourse, the Post said. "I have no objection to talking about abstinence as a sure-fire way to prevent unwanted pregnancy and sexually transmitted diseases. I don't think we should lie to our children about science," Waxman told the newspaper. Credit: Reuters.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Walshy Posted December 6, 2004 Share Posted December 6, 2004 I suppose I should be surprised, but I'm not! Love this one thou "HIV can be spread through tears and sweat" so don't cry and never, evvvver do any physical activity! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sunflower Posted December 6, 2004 Share Posted December 6, 2004 (edited) Well, I have no idea about the statistic that half the gay male teenagers have tested positive for AIDS, sounds most unlikely to me, but depending on what part of a female's body touches male genitals, pregnancy is possible. You guys aren't just fertile at the moment of ejaculation you know, that clear stuff leaked while sexually excited also contains those determined little tadpoles!! These can find where they're supposed to go and do their job, even if the tip of the male does no more than brush against the corresponding female part. Abortion, although sometimes medically necessary, can lead to sterility for a number of reasons, and suicide caused by post-natal and/or guilt-induced depression following an abortion is more common than you would think. Lessons to be learnt?? Don't necessarily abstain (unless you're under 16), just always be careful!! Sun Edited December 6, 2004 by sunflower Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fletch 204 Posted December 6, 2004 Share Posted December 6, 2004 i love the way they just saying touching a persons genitals can lead to pregnancy. they dont say somneone elses etc I think i'll just go for a leak.... o dear lord Im pregnant and Im a bloke. How the hell did this happen. Why wasnt i told about this in Sex Education at school. Damn you English Education System, if i was american this would never have happened Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest eyes_adrift Posted December 6, 2004 Share Posted December 6, 2004 That sweat one is hilarious. I wonder how Magic Johnson's ex team mates avoided the infection. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Anime Otaku Posted December 10, 2004 Share Posted December 10, 2004 never' date=' evvvver do any physical activity![/quote'] your talking about americans here that ain't an issue for most of them personally i find the abstinence thing hilarious, not giving them any information is the dumbest thing ever and telling people 'don't do this' never works if you don't give them real info.. and notice how alot of this is probably coming from the christian groups so they are using it to attack gays at the same time! I actually the thing about half of gay males having aids at one time was close to being true, but only when aids was first identified and no one really knew much about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MachoMat Posted December 10, 2004 Share Posted December 10, 2004 (edited) personally i find the abstinence thing hilarious' date=' not giving them any information is the dumbest thing ever and telling people 'don't do this' never works if you don't give them real info.. and notice how alot of this is probably coming from the christian groups so they are using it to attack gays at the same time! I actually the thing about half of gay males having aids at one time was close to being true, but only when aids was first identified and no one really knew much about it.[/quote'] Teaching abstinence doesn't mean not telling kids about it. That would be stupid. Abstinence is not doing it. Simple as that. A proper abstinence program is truly educational. I wish that I had had that kind of information when I was a young man getting it on with every pretty girl who I could get into my bed. I wish that I had saved myself for marriage. Recently I heard some interesting statistics about planned parenthood, or the just wear a condom approach. None of the various versions that I have seen deal with any of the emotional and psychological issues which are a part of sex. They treat it as a simply physical act which I feel to be gross negligence of some very important issues. Christians, real ones who are actually trying to live and model God's love, don't hate or persecute homosexuals. We do not agree with what they do but we don't hate anyone. That is a false stereotype that has been perpetuated for too long. If not agreeing with someone is persecuting them then there are several persons here at TWO who are constantly guilty of persecuting Christians for their beliefs. We are supposed to cheer on others for their beliefs and lifestyles but no one returns that favor. Kinda lopsided huh? Edited December 10, 2004 by MachoMat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Anime Otaku Posted December 10, 2004 Share Posted December 10, 2004 Teaching abstinence doesn't mean not telling kids about it. That would be stupid. In Bush's america it does and you're right it is stupid, but then there are places where evolution is taught as a 'theory' not a scientific fact... wait thats america too!!! and i did not mean to sound like all Christian were anti gay but again the evangelical groups that have Bush's ear have the tendancy to have Ultra conservative anti gay view... i.e. that allowing gay marriage would open the way for people who were into beatiality (look it up because i am not telling you what it is) would be able to marry their dog or whatever Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MachoMat Posted December 10, 2004 Share Posted December 10, 2004 In Bush's america it does and you're right it is stupid' date=' but then there are places where evolution is taught as a 'theory' not a scientific fact... wait thats america too!!![/quote'] Can't agree with you. No one actually believes that ignoring the existence of a fire will keep the house from burning down. And evolution is a theory. 2 quick points: 1) It is officially recognized as the THEORY of evolution. Look up the definition of the word theory. 2) If no one were there to see it happen it's a theory. Personally I believe that GOd created it all but did it over time. The seven days in the bible could be metaphoric... then again they could be literal. He could do it that way. Man and many animals have evolved but they had to come into being at some point. The odds of all this happening by pure chance are too high to remember but its an astronomical number. ...and i did not mean to sound like all Christian were anti gay but again the evangelical groups that have Bush's ear have the tendancy to have Ultra conservative anti gay view... i.e. that allowing gay marriage would open the way for people who were into beatiality (look it up because i am not telling you what it is) would be able to marry their dog or whatever I agree that if you give people an inch they will take a mile. Have you ever heard of NAMBLA, the North American Man Boy Love Alliance or Association? They are a group of sicko men who want to legalize the act of grown men having sex with little boys. They hope the gay marriage thing works out so that they can argue their agenda. So that means that the above-mentioned argument against gay marriage is not so far fetched as it may sound. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Anime Otaku Posted December 10, 2004 Share Posted December 10, 2004 actually the part of america where people wanted to change the curriculum (Georgia i think) were actually taking it LITERALLY and 'theory of evolution' may be what it is called but there is anthropological and archeological evidence that supports it and proves that it is a fact, however i am not saying a higher power is not resposible for life starting. and as for the sickos wanting to legalise sex with little boys... Homosexuality - Legal Paedophilia - Very wrong and Illegal Also Bush is trying to make Abstinence the ONLY thing taught in schools as far as sex education, no mention of any form of protection such as condoms. As i said it is pretty much a fact that if you tell teens not to do something then a fair number of them WILL try it so not telling teens all the facts and all the options is pretty much a disaster waiting to happen! Except the disaster HAS happened, America is 1# in the world for births under 20... more than double canada in 2# spot (source: Stupid white men by Michael Moore, Chapter 8 'we're number 1!' pg 177) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MachoMat Posted December 11, 2004 Share Posted December 11, 2004 actually the part of america where people wanted to change the curriculum (Georgia i think) were actually taking it LITERALLY and 'theory of evolution' may be what it is called but there is anthropological and archeological evidence that supports it and proves that it is a fact' date=' however i am not saying a higher power is not resposible for life starting.[/quote'] Again read the dictionary definition of thoery. There is data which, when interretted a certain way, could support that theory. However, I learned in my college accounting classes that numbers can be arranged to show a variety of contradictory outcomes. and as for the sickos wanting to legalise sex with little boys... Homosexuality - Legal Paedophilia - Very wrong and Illegal. I agree but as I said, that group hopes to ride the coat-tails of the gay marriage movement in trying to get their "lifestyle" or "orientation" or whatever they call it this week, recognized by legal sanction. After all, they can argue that they were born that way and unfortunately who's to naysay them? Also Bush is trying to make Abstinence the ONLY thing taught in schools as far as sex education' date=' no mention of any form of protection such as condoms. As i said it is pretty much a fact that if you tell teens not to do something then a fair number of them WILL try it so not telling teens all the facts and all the options is pretty much a disaster waiting to happen! Except the disaster HAS happened, America is 1# in the world for births under 20... more than double canada in 2# spot (source: Stupid white men by Michael Moore, Chapter 8 'we're number 1!' pg 177)[/quote'] 1) Michael Moore is a grade A jerk who has been caught twisting and misrepresenting facts. The longer he goes on the more support he loses from those who once embraced him. His only goal is to keep his rather portly posterior in the spotlight and in the money for as long as possible. he does nothing from a sense of patriotism or humanitarian desire to aid mankind. Also it again comes down to his "interpretation" or "presentation format". 2) Kids need to understand the process as well as ALL the consequences. Prior American high school school programs, (and I know because I went thorough one in the early 80's), taught the parts and the biological process as well as potential complications such as STD's or pregnancy, but nothing of the emotional and psychological ramifications of engaging in something for which kids are biologically prepared but not emotionally or psychologically ready. Again I speak from experience as I was a very promiscious teen. I wish that I had handy the statistics I heard form one of my friends on Wednesday. The suicide rate, both male and female, for those who engage in premarital promiscious activity is much greater than for those who do not. Also, and again I speak from experience, kids who simply hear about the mechanics of sex don't think about the possibility of STD's and/or pregnancy as seriously as they should. We sure didn't when I was young. If they did they would keep their mouths closed and their pants zipped. The kids in my homewtown were a bunch of rabbits jumping from partner to partner like a pack of unbridled animals. Ask any of the people I knew growing up who had to deal with young pregnancy and how they may not regret the lovely child they have but do regret that moment of passion spent which changed the course of their lives in ways for which they were unprepared. I'm, not saying that we should keep kids in the dark, but the current programs are the reason we are in the mess we are in because kids aren't getting the whole story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Anime Otaku Posted December 11, 2004 Share Posted December 11, 2004 i don't know where to start with that so i'm just not going to bother except that Moores source was Patrick Moynihan "family and nation" and anyone who buys that peadophiles and homosexuals are the same sport never mind the same ball park should be shot! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul 584 Posted December 11, 2004 Author Share Posted December 11, 2004 As far as evolution goes it is still only recognised as a theory, not a fact. And while Mr Moore has twisted some facts he is still spot on with most of what he says! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Anime Otaku Posted December 11, 2004 Share Posted December 11, 2004 (edited) Exactly Darkstar quite often Moore is correct in what he says though he spins it a bit... but who doesn't spin these days? However I still contend that Evolution is widely excepted as a scientific fact and really only religious zealots still argue the creation story from the bible is fact and frankly i am a little to worldly to put blind faith in that where as the is proof that evolution exists (and no i don't mean Batista :P) and i forgot to say earlier that when the people inGeorgia were trying to make the Creation story be taught instead of Evolution most people were said to find it very embarrassing as it made Georgians sound backward (i saw the story on yahoo.com but it was a while ago, still if you search you may find it) Edited December 11, 2004 by Anime Otaku Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul 584 Posted December 11, 2004 Author Share Posted December 11, 2004 I agree with that evolution is what happened: however it is still only known as a theory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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