Who's tougher New Jack or Cena?

[Guest Slim Jim]

I'm sure Cena is pretty tough and strong (being a body builder before wrestling I think), but New Jack is one phsyco S.O.B. and would find a way of tearing Cena apart.

[Guest Nemesis Enforcer]

I'm sure Cena is pretty tough and strong (being a body builder before wrestling I think)' date=' but New Jack is one phsyco S.O.B. and would find a way of tearing Cena apart.[/quote']

Its like I was told by my dad... "Crazy beats big every time" :D

[Guest horsemansmiler]

people realize new jack was a bounty hunter? hes been shot??

 

Obviously new jack

[Guest Jack]

Thirteen, I've got to say, none of your post means anthing in a fight. So, he apparently killed two people. anyone can pull a trigger. He's from the streets, so are millions of other people worldwide, and they are bitches aswell. Vitali Klitschko has a degree. He'd murder New Jack, in about 3 seconds. My point there is, that being rich, doesn't mean you arn't tough.

 

And, the main point of it is, we don't know anything about Cena's past. He could make Charles Manson look the Pope. It's all right saying New Jack did this, and that, but there can be no counter points to it all.

 

All we can go on, is physical attributes, and Cena has a lot more than a broken down, New Jack. Simple as. He's taller, he's stronger, he's faster, and most importantly, he isn't falling to pieces.

[Guest Russ]

New Jack would dominate the fight for a while, then Cena would OVERCOME THE ODDS and make him tap out to the STFU.

 

This is all moot of course, as they had a fight in December 2004 in a club, resulting in Cena being stabbed. New Jack told us at an indy show in front of 30 people when he was possible tripping balls, who are you to doubt he was the attacker?

[Evil Gringo 279]

Young was a bounty hunter before he became a professional wrestler. He claims to have committed four justifiable homicides in the line of duty.

 

Young trained under Ray Candy and debuted in 1993 in the Memphis, Tennessee-based United States Wrestling Association, where he adopted the name New Jack. He went on to form a tag team named The Gangstas with Mustafa Saed in Smoky Mountain Wrestling. The Gangstas took part in several controversial angles, on one occasion using affirmative action to enable them to win matches with a two count, not the conventional three count. They engaged in a long feud with the Rock 'N Roll Express (Ricky Morton and Robert Gibson).

 

In 1995, The Gangstas left SMW and joined the Philadelphia, Pennsylvania-based Extreme Championship Wrestling promotion. They won the ECW Tag Team Championships twice before Saed left the company in 1997. New Jack then formed a new tag team with John Kronus known as The Gangstanators, and went on to win a third ECW Tag Team Championship.

 

New Jack was involved in the Mass Transit Incident on November 23, 1996 in Revere, Massachusetts. The Gangstas were scheduled to face D-Von Dudley and Axl Rotten, but Rotten had missed the event. For whatever reason, Axl Rotten could not make it to the show (In the 2005 documentary Forever Hardcore, New Jack said he thinks something happened with Axl's grandmother, which forced Axl to not make it). Rotten was replaced with "Mass Transit" Erich Kulas; an obese, untrained seventeen-year-old who convinced booker Paul Heyman that he was nineteen and had been trained by the veteran Killer Kowalski. In the course of the match, New Jack attempted to blade Kulas, but inadvertedly cut through an artery, causing him to begin bleeding profusely. Kulas was hospitalised as a result, eventually receiving fifty stitches. New Jack was charged with aggravated assault stemming from the incident, but was acquitted. Kulas subsequently sued New Jack and ECW for damages in July 1998, but lost the case. He died in 2002 of unrelated causes.

 

On March 13, 2000, New Jack suffered brain damage and was permanently blinded in his right eye when he and his opponent, Vic Grimes, fell off a scaffold, missed the tables that were supposed to absorb the force of their fall, and landed on the floor (with Grimes landing on New Jack's head). In an XPW rematch shortly after ECW went out of business, New Jack threw Vic Grimes off the scaffolding, and Grimes plummeted forty feet into the ring. The stunt did not work out as planned, as Grimes did not go through all four tables that were intended to break his fall and ended up dislocating his ankle on a rope. In the 2005 documentary Forever Hardcore, New Jack claimed that he had intentionally thrown Grimes too hard in the hopes that he would be injured or die.

 

After ECW declared bankruptcy in April 2001, New Jack began wrestling on the independent circuit. In 2002 he wrestled for Xtreme Pro Wrestling, and in 2003, he made multiple appearances with Total Nonstop Action Wrestling. On October 9, 2004 he was arrested following a match in Jacksonville, Florida in which he repeatedly stabbed his opponent (the charges were later dropped after the victim insisted that the stabbing was planned). New Jack appeared at the ECW reunion show, Hardcore Homecoming, on June 10, 2005, and was scheduled to appear at ECW One Night Stand 2005 two days later, but was prevented from entering the state of New York due to an outstanding warrant.

 

Right going off this lets see... Four justifiable homicides (although self proclaimed), a history of violence in and out of the ring against opponents that is not part of the script and on the con side of things bodily injury and brain damage due to the Scaffold match in XPW...

 

Now Cena...

John Felix Anthony Cena, Jr. (born April 23, 1977 in West Newbury, Massachusetts), better known to wrestling fans simply as John Cena, is an Italian-American professional wrestler, rap music artist, and currently performs for World Wrestling Entertainment (WWE) on the RAW brand, where he is the currently married to Chaingang_chick WWE Champion. Cena brought the once SmackDown!-exclusive WWE Championship belt to RAW on June 6, 2005 when he was drafted to RAW during the 2005 Draft. Cena has released a music CD, You Can't See Me, with Tha Trademarc, and has performed live concerts with Tha Trademarc and Bumpy Knuckles.

 

Before his professional wrestling career, John Cena was a bodybuilder, college football player, a team captain and All-American center for Division III at Springfield College. While at Springfield, he earned a degree in exercise physiology.

 

So Cena is younger, mentally and phsyically fitter and faster and is strong...

 

But has no real fight training or history of violence apart from wrestling and one kayfabe incident to cover his absence to film a role and then come back and murder Carlito for the US belt...

 

Ah sod it... lets get a pool of money going and pay them to settle it... just so long as it's not in New York as New Jack ain't allowed in that city!

[Guest MrFill]

But remember that a couple of years back, Cena was stabbed in the kidneys - and there's now no scar.

 

So, Cena is an incredibly fast healer - New Jack would punch him, and the bruise would be gone before New Jack could hit him again...

 

 

 

Or maybe not.

[Guest Craig]

Cena would win because New Jack can't see him.

[Evil Gringo 279]

Good point... although if New Jack attacked the air system in Cena's trainers early on then he could no longer pump it up and Cena's chances would be forever dented...

 

Hell his career might even be over!

[Guest Craig]

Yes, but you must remember, Cena has the Chain Gang backing him. If New Jack wants some, he can come get some. Chain Gang 4 life. \mm/

[Guest PHIZZLE]

New Jack would dominate the fight for a while, then Cena would OVERCOME THE ODDS and make him tap out to the STFU.

 

This is all moot of course, as they had a fight in December 2004 in a club, resulting in Cena being stabbed. New Jack told us at an indy show in front of 30 people when he was possible tripping balls, who are you to doubt he was the attacker?

 

It was later revealed to be jesus Carlito's bodyguard :lol

 

 

As for who would win who frikking knows Phil and grant Mitchell would kick both their asses :lol

[Guest Thirteen]

Thirteen, I've got to say, none of your post means anthing in a fight. So, he apparently killed two people. anyone can pull a trigger. He's from the streets, so are millions of other people worldwide, and they are bitches aswell. Vitali Klitschko has a degree. He'd murder New Jack, in about 3 seconds. My point there is, that being rich, doesn't mean you arn't tough.

 

And, the main point of it is, we don't know anything about Cena's past. He could make Charles Manson look the Pope. It's all right saying New Jack did this, and that, but there can be no counter points to it all.

 

All we can go on, is physical attributes, and Cena has a lot more than a broken down, New Jack. Simple as. He's taller, he's stronger, he's faster, and most importantly, he isn't falling to pieces.

 

And what I'm saying is physical attributes don't mean **** in a REAL fight. How many times have we got to go over this?

 

It's about the mentality/mindstate, are you willing to do what the next man wont?

Not giving a **** about yourself or anyone else for that matter.

Not knowing/caring when you've overstepped the mark or gone from being totally justified in your actions of violence to just plain psychotic and sadistic.

 

If you can't see that I can only assume that you've been lucky enough to have never had to come into contact with someone like that or been forced to become it yourself in order to survive.

 

And yeah you're right maybe New Jack is a gimmick but since this is a 'what if?' scenario we can only work with the information that is available to us. And on paper(in regards to a REAL, STREET fight) New Jack most definitley has the upper hand.

 

(That coupled with the fact that many of the so-called 'tough guys' in pro wrestling are legitamately scared of the guy).

 

That was my point.:xyx

Edited April 27, 2006 by Thirteen

[Guest MrFill]

Just gague the overall opinions, I've added a poll. :)

[Nimf 324]

I definately dont buy into cenas gimmick quite frankly the guy is a fraud.

No, he's not a fraud, it's a gimmick... You're only a fraud if you are claiming to really be that, not if it's,in effect, a role you are playing.

[Guest Steve O]

Cena would just overpower NJ get him on the floor and punch his face in.