Book a dream match

[Paul 584]

How about Hornswoggle vs Darkstar?

 

Only if I get to job....and maybe blade. :lol

[The Icon 152]

Only if I get to job....and maybe blade. :lol

 

You can do both, but you must lose to the hornswoggle bomb.

[Guest dpddave]

You can do both, but you must lose to the hornswoggle bomb.

 

Its the lepraton bomb damnit!

[Guest MojoPogo]

I'd love to have seen Samoa Joe v Mike Awesome, or Vader (at his peak) v Stan Hansen......that would be stiffer than a titanium four poster....

[King 277]

Vader Vs Brock aswell for me.

[Guest FreeSpirit]

Brock Lesnar Vs Goldberg with a happy, interested crowd.

[wyndorf 389]

6-Man 'Hell in a Cell' match. Kurt Angle got the fall in a match that also featured HHH. So HHH didn't win the match, but he was classed as undefeated in the structure until Batista faced him.

 

That doesn't answer the question; Shawn Michaels vs Razor Ramon Wrestlemania 10 - who won and who lost?

 

I can now reveal Razor Ramon won that match, Shawn Michaels was the loser. Ramon didn't pin or make Michaels submit, yet the rules didn't require him to do so.....to win the match. 2 men were competing to win that ladder match, there could only be one winner. So, unless we class HBK as the first runner up, he lost.

 

The MITB this year featured 8 wrestlers, yet only one winner. So by using any kind of logic and the actual ladder match rules - there were 7 losers - Edge being one of them.

 

The HIAC 6-man was a little different, simply because it was under pinfall/submission rules. The actual outcome of the match didn't require 5 wrestlers to be pinned/made to submit. It only needed one man to take the fall. I think it was Austin that did the job (I could be wrong, it doesn't really matter) The others were all losers, though. But as they didn't play a part in the final fall, they get treated a little better - like the "He's undefeated!" guff. Simply put, Triple H wasn't made to submit or pinned.

 

Again, the ladder match rules don't call for this. There aren't any pinfalls/submissions. To win the match you have to get the belt/briefcase. Edge didn't get it - Kennedy did.

[Guest Slim Jim]

Joe didn't win the Ultimate X match which is the same as Ladder mathc rules, but they still called him undefeated.

[Guest Drake]

Lossing a one on one ladder match isn't the same as not winning an 8 man ladder match. On the 1 on 1 ladder match it was your fault that you lost, meanwhile on the MITB it wasn't his fault. Kennedy and Edge weren't the last two that were fighting for the briefcase.

 

And it's simple logic. The WWE pulled Edge out of the match early with that sick spot so that 1.) He didn't have to put himself in further danger as he was still nagging an injury and 2.) To protect his undefeated 'streak' at WrestleMania.

[Guest Craig]

So basically, the MITB doesn't count against Edge's record, and he's still 5-0, right?

[DC 536]

In a nutshell, yeah.

[Guest Rog]

Dream Card

 

William Regal and Dave Taylor vs. Doug Williams and Nigel McGuiness

Taz (1997) vs Samoa Joe (2003)

Ultimate X- Jack Evans v Matt Sydal v Matt Cross v Sonjay Dutt

Sting (1997) vs Undertaker (1998)

Kenta Kobashi vs Brock Lesnar

Chris Benoit (2000) vs Bryan Danielson

New Jack vs Necro Butcher

Hell in a Cell- The Eliminators vs LAX

Mike Awesome vs Rhino

AMW vs Road Warriors

[Guest Craig]

In a nutshell, yeah.

 

So if Undertaker lost a ladder match at WrestleMania, he'd still have a perfect record at WrestleMania, right?

 

Also, going by this logic, Finlay doesn't have a record at WrestleMania, despite wrestling twice.

Edited June 2, 2007 by Craig

[Guest The Genetic Jackhammer]

Kennedy won the MITB while the 7 other opponents lost I cant see how that doesnt go down as a loss for Edge I mean did he win....no did he lose...yes!!

[DC 536]

I'm only going with the precedents that have already been set.

 

Tatanka was listed as undefeated even though he had been on the losing end in numerous tag matches.

 

HHH was listed as undefeated in 'Hell in a Cell' matches, even though he was involved in the 6-Man match which was won by Kurt Angle.

 

Samoa Joe was classed as undefeated in TNA, even though he had been in 3-way matches where someone else got the victory. He was also in an 'Ultimate X' match (which is basically the same structure as a ladder match) and didn't win that either. He was still listed as undefeated.

 

If the above situations can happen and the named participants are still classed as undefeated, then why can't Edge?

[Murph 93]

Samoa Joe was classed as undefeated in TNA, even though he had been in 3-way matches where someone else got the victory. He was also in an 'Ultimate X' match (which is basically the same structure as a ladder match) and didn't win that either. He was still listed as undefeated.

 

And the Fatal Four Way at Victory Road.

[Guest dpddave]

Edge can always say hes never been pinned or submitted at wrestlemaina. The marks wont mind......

[Guest Slim Jim]

That's true, but they can't really book it as Undertaker vs Edge, streak vs streak.

[Guest Craig]

That's true, but they can't really book it as Undertaker vs Edge, streak vs streak.

 

Exactly.

 

Sure, Edge can say he's never been pinned or been forced to submit in the 2 matches where he's been able to at WrestleMania, but he's still lost a match. They can't do streak vs streak. Edge was in a match this year at WrestleMania 23, he did not win, he did not have a draw, he lost. He has no streak anymore.

[wyndorf 389]

I'm only going with the precedents that have already been set.

 

Tatanka was listed as undefeated even though he had been on the losing end in numerous tag matches.

 

HHH was listed as undefeated in 'Hell in a Cell' matches, even though he was involved in the 6-Man match which was won by Kurt Angle.

 

Samoa Joe was classed as undefeated in TNA, even though he had been in 3-way matches where someone else got the victory. He was also in an 'Ultimate X' match (which is basically the same structure as a ladder match) and didn't win that either. He was still listed as undefeated.

 

If the above situations can happen and the named participants are still classed as undefeated, then why can't Edge?

 

None of these people were "listed". We were just told by the announcers that they were undefeated. The announcers think we're idiots. Just ask John Cena - who was the first man to ever defeat Khali....and the Undertaker who is a "specialist" in casket/coffin matches - a pretty crap specialist, mind....and Umaga, who we were still being told was "undefeated" when he lost TV matches via DQ.

 

Just because the WWE choose to bill anyone as "undefeated", I'm not gonna eat their custard and go along with it. I saw it with my own two eyes - Edge LOST.