Meltzer - Thumbs up or Thumbs down?

[Guest tazz13]

beltmark is absolutely correct about the WM 3 attendance and the logic behind it and its annoying that a legit record gets dismissed by smarks who can't wrap their mind around something so easy to understand just because meltzer throws out an incorrect number

 

78,000 is a ridiculous number on many levels, since the building has 80,000 seats not counting floor space...so for 78k to be right there would have to be no one on the floor and 2,000 empty seats...its not that complicated

 

as for my comment that meltzer's opinion is pretty crappy, well i simply mean that i think he tends to be overly negative, but he is entitled to that

[Guest Jung]

beltmark is absolutely correct about the WM 3 attendance and the logic behind it and its annoying that a legit record gets dismissed by smarks who can't wrap their mind around something so easy to understand just because meltzer throws out an incorrect number

 

78,000 is a ridiculous number on many levels, since the building has 80,000 seats not counting floor space...so for 78k to be right there would have to be no one on the floor and 2,000 empty seats...its not that complicated

 

as for my comment that meltzer's opinion is pretty crappy, well i simply mean that i think he tends to be overly negative, but he is entitled to that

 

Jeez have you actually paid any attention the last few posts?

 

We've all just pretty much agreed that Meltzer never actually said half the stuff, more didn't believe it was 93,000 which the press officer for the event at the time, confirmed. Thus the likelihood is the capacity was between 80 and 85k.

 

13,000 people on the floor is unlikely unless they were all standing? Standing then maybe, but you have to remember having seats there which includes aisles and what not would have to take away some space.

 

But please Tazzy actually read some posts, someone told Meltzer it wasn't 93,000 its not a myth he specifically perpetuated, just something people picked up on and linked to him, like most newstories these days.

 

And also the WWE do lie, and even if it was 90,000, probably said 93,000 just so they could overtake the pope's attendance.

 

But actually pay attention will you?

[Guest Slim Jim]

They lied about the WM23 attendance as well. That was around 78000 I think.

[DC 536]

Nash didn't lie though. The Garden really did hold 20,000 that night.

[Guest Slim Jim]

*sigh* it was 29,000. Get your facts right.:good222:

[DC 536]

*sigh* it was 29,000. Get your facts right.:good222:

I didn't mean that night. Jeez, I was talking about the other famous night he had there. Edited June 7, 2007 by DC

[Guest tazz13]

Jeez have you actually paid any attention the last few posts?

 

We've all just pretty much agreed that Meltzer never actually said half the stuff, more didn't believe it was 93,000 which the press officer for the event at the time, confirmed. Thus the likelihood is the capacity was between 80 and 85k.

 

13,000 people on the floor is unlikely unless they were all standing? Standing then maybe, but you have to remember having seats there which includes aisles and what not would have to take away some space.

 

But please Tazzy actually read some posts, someone told Meltzer it wasn't 93,000 its not a myth he specifically perpetuated, just something people picked up on and linked to him, like most newstories these days.

 

And also the WWE do lie, and even if it was 90,000, probably said 93,000 just so they could overtake the pope's attendance.

 

But actually pay attention will you?

 

meltzer is the exact person who perpetuated it...he had a conversation with zane bresloff who told meltzer it was 78,000...so unless zane bresloff has his own newsletter or website, which i would say is unlikely since he is dead, then the information he gave to meltzer was then spread through the years by MELTZER

 

no meltzer did not come up with the number himself, but he is the exact person responsible for putting that number in everyone's head

 

this is from powerslam magazine:

Zane Bresloff was the man whom promoted WrestleMania III for McMahon in Michigan. He and Dave Meltzer had a conversation on the phone years later about WrestleMania III. Bresloff was quoted as saying something to the effect of that the WWF has been quoting that 93,000 attendance number for so long, he thought they were starting to believe it themselves. Meltzer asked him whether or not 93,000 was the real attendance figure, and Bresloff said no. He later sent Meltzer a fax of the official statement from the building from back in 1987. This gave the attendance as being just over 78,000

[Guest Jung]

meltzer is the exact person who perpetuated it...he had a conversation with zane bresloff who told meltzer it was 78,000...so unless zane bresloff has his own newsletter or website, which i would say is unlikely since he is dead, then the information he gave to meltzer was then spread through the years by MELTZER

 

no meltzer did not come up with the number himself, but he is the exact person responsible for putting that number in everyone's head

 

this is from powerslam magazine:

Zane Bresloff was the man whom promoted WrestleMania III for McMahon in Michigan. He and Dave Meltzer had a conversation on the phone years later about WrestleMania III. Bresloff was quoted as saying something to the effect of that the WWF has been quoting that 93,000 attendance number for so long, he thought they were starting to believe it themselves. Meltzer asked him whether or not 93,000 was the real attendance figure, and Bresloff said no. He later sent Meltzer a fax of the official statement from the building from back in 1987. This gave the attendance as being just over 78,000

 

So Meltzer's told by a guy that promoted it that it was 78,000? So thats now Meltzer's fault for being told that?

 

Wanna tell us how that is?

 

He didn't perpetuate it, its not like he constantly brings it up is it? Everyone else does then credits Meltzer for saying its 78,000 all the time to everyone. If its wrong, then he's been fed the wrong information.

 

Jeez if someone tells you the wrong directions and you get lost, who's in the wrong? You or the person who gave you the incorrect directions? Its not Meltzer's fault lots of people look to him as some kind of news god is it.

 

Just think for a second where you got your information from and where many did, then think how it might have distributed...Its not rocket science.

 

Thus did Bresloff mean paid attendance or full attendance, cause if paid he could have been right...who knows. Either way you answer your own question about who perpetuates any sort of myth and that you have a dislike for Meltzer which clouds your judgement.

[Guest The Beltster]

At the end of the day it doesnt matter who came up with what or who spread what. The paid attendance might have been 78,000 but anybody who thinks there was 78,000 people maximum in that building needs their heads examined and their eyes opened.

[Guest Jung]

Absolutely agree but it frustrates me when people blame that figure on Meltzer when chances he, he doesn't even agree with it, just once said someone told him it was 78,000.

 

Personally I reckon between 85 and 90, but said to be 93 so it would seem bigger than the pope. You just know Vince would want to stick it to religion.

[Guest The Beltster]

Absolutely agree but it frustrates me when people blame that figure on Meltzer when chances he, he doesn't even agree with it, just once said someone told him it was 78,000.

 

Personally I reckon between 85 and 90, but said to be 93 so it would seem bigger than the pope. You just know Vince would want to stick it to religion.

85-90,000 sounds about right to me and 93,173 to beat the Pope would be the reason Vince said it, although I noticed the Pope is listed as more than that on the Silverdome site, so who knows. It might seem crazy, but I guess there is always a CHANCE there were 93,173 people there. Hell Vince might have listed all his employees and building staff aswell :lol

[Guest Jung]

Oh absolutely, its possible it was that large, but knowing Vince's habit of exaggerating, I'd guess that the figure became that just to beat the pope.

 

Plus it continues the myth of Mania, Andre losing for the first time in front of a record attendance doesn't sound great when you say Andre lost for the 25th time or whatever to a very big crowd which may have been papered to some extent.

[Guest tazz13]

i don't even believe that the event was papered...i'm a firm believer that they sold exactly what the attendance record states

 

i don't think people remember and/or realize how big that event was at the time in terms of mainstream coverage, especially if you weren't alive at the time or were too young to remember

[Guest Nemesis Enforcer]

Rarther then debate what Meltzer possibly said or thought why don't you just ask him directly?

 

e-mail him at Dave@wrestlingobserver.com and he will answer your question directly via e-mail, I have asked him stuff before and he does actually respond :)

[Paul 584]

i don't even believe that the event was papered...i'm a firm believer that they sold exactly what the attendance record states

 

Naive a bit. Wrestling promotions always have, and probably always will, bullshit the numbers to look better.