Racism? [Split from Big Brother 8 Thread]

[Guest Nemesis Enforcer]

Do you actually realise what your saying?!

 

Do you have any idea on the slave trade or the persecution of black people in America for example?

 

It wasnt abuse of one person it was the persecution of a whole race, the branding of a negro as worthless, its not about the word Nigger or Negro its what it represents

Yes but its about time the world moved on, how long is it that people are going to hold the same views, the world has changed its time people changed, the more you let a word have power the more people will use it for their own agenda, if people laughed off the word then the whole meaning of it changes, Emily saying nigger in BB was one person saying a word to another person, the word has a history attached to it yes, but at the end of the day everything has a history and you learn from it, the word nigger is never going away so IMO change its meaning, take the power away from it, look at what Germany did to the Nazi's, they made them a joke and they lost their power, the same thing needs to be done to the word nigger and other racist terms because like it or not the words are not going away

 

 

Your really missing the point.....

 

I too have that same DVD and he is discussing the use in terms of social status, people are laughing not because of the use of the word Nigger, but because Rock is discussing social and class status

Its still the same word though, but becaise its meaning has changed its no longer offensive, thats my whole point, if people stop being offended by the word because its meaning is changed it loses its power over people

[Guest A.C.]

Yes but its about time the world moved on, how long is it that people are going to hold the same views, the world has changed its time people changed, the more you let a word have power the more people will use it for their own agenda, if people laughed off the word then the whole meaning of it changes, Emily saying nigger in BB was one person saying a word to another person, the word has a history attached to it yes, but at the end of the day everything has a history and you learn from it, the word nigger is never going away so IMO change its meaning, take the power away from it, look at what Germany did to the Nazi's, they made them a joke and they lost their power, the same thing needs to be done to the word nigger and other racist terms because like it or not the words are not going away

 

Erm - any reference to Nazism in Germany will get you arrested and charged.

 

Its still the same word though, but becaise its meaning has changed its no longer offensive, thats my whole point, if people stop being offended by the word because its meaning is changed it loses its power over people

 

That would only be true if it was actually true. Which it ain't. The majority of people still believe that the N word is offensive, therefore it's offensive. I'm stating truisms but it seems the only way to make the point.

[Guest Reno]

To be honest, if a black person said somthing racist to a white person nothing would happen. People would be too scared to do anything as the black person may claim it to be racist.

 

Sad, but true. Just the way it goes.

[Guest A.C.]

To be honest, if a black person said somthing racist to a white person nothing would happen. People would be too scared to do anything as the black person may claim it to be racist.

 

Sad, but true. Just the way it goes.

 

So you're stereotyping all non-black folks as scared of black people's reactions to any kind of accusation and stereotyping black folks as likely to claim racism without cause. Covering all your bases pretty well there.

[Guest Ravenmark]

Spaceman came down to answer some things,

The world gathered round from paupers to kings,

I’ll answer your questions, I’ll answer them true,

I’ll show the way you know what to do,

Who is wrong and who is right?

Yellow, brown or black or white?

The spaceman he answered "You’ll no longer mind;

I’ve opened your eyes, you’re now colour blind."

 

:xyx

[Guest Reno]

So you're stereotyping all non-black folks as scared of black people's reactions to any kind of accusation and stereotyping black folks as likely to claim racism without cause. Covering all your bases pretty well there.

 

Well it happens. Emily said Nigga, BB are scared if the reaction from the black people and kicked her out of the house.

[Guest MastersGonads]

Yes but its about time the world moved on, how long is it that people are going to hold the same views, the world has changed its time people changed, the more you let a word have power the more people will use it for their own agenda, if people laughed off the word then the whole meaning of it changes, Emily saying nigger in BB was one person saying a word to another person, the word has a history attached to it yes, but at the end of the day everything has a history and you learn from it, the word nigger is never going away so IMO change its meaning, take the power away from it, look at what Germany did to the Nazi's, they made them a joke and they lost their power, the same thing needs to be done to the word nigger and other racist terms because like it or not the words are not going away

 

I really want to argue with you, but I cant be bothered, I really cant.

 

Please, please please, read about the slave trade, read about the persecution of black people in America in the 50's and 60's, read about Martin Luther King, Malcom X, Nelson Mandela, Cassius Clay, Rodney King and the LA riots in the 80's

 

Then realise that in parts of America and the world today these same persecutions are still taking place, People are still being persecuted because of the colour of their skin, where there referred to simply as a Nigger or a Negro because they are a lesser race.

That across Europe the rise of the far right as highlighted by the BNP is a worrying sign that we didnt learn from Nazi Germany, and that Presidents of countries like Iran can dismiss the Holocaust ever happening

 

It simply isnt a case of just moving on.....To forget the past ever happened, or to brush it off as history, is forgetting what people fought for to gain equality in this world

 

To simply forget and move on is giving power to Le Pen, Mugabe and Ahmadinejad to continue to promote their racist idealism

[Guest A.C.]

Well it happens. Emily said Nigga, BB are scared if the reaction from the black people and kicked her out of the house.

 

They've already been given a rollocking by the TV watchdog people so they've got to be on their toes. I'm a bit hazy on the whole Celeb BB incident and what was said but as far as I remember, there were no racial slurs uttered but the intent of Jade & Co. was certainly malicious.

 

In this case, Emily wasn't being malicious but she was definitely ignorant, naive and really lived up to her image as a spoilt little rich girl with delusions about her place in the world. Plus, by overtly uttering the N word she left Channel 4 with no choice whatsoever.

[Guest Jung]

Ok then should she have been kicked out?

 

Wouldnt a major warning in the diary room have been enough?

 

After all it wasn't said in a threatening manner.

[Guest FreeSpirit]

Just seen this on the news, I can't help but laugh at how ridiculous it is to be honest. I never liked Emily but FFS if Charly didn't find it offensive then is it really bad?

 

Ermmm yes: I found it offensive, and I'm glad she got kicked. stupid cow :xyx

[Guest Reno]

They've already been given a rollocking by the TV watchdog people so they've got to be on their toes. I'm a bit hazy on the whole Celeb BB incident and what was said but as far as I remember, there were no racial slurs uttered but the intent of Jade & Co. was certainly malicious. In this case, Emily wasn't being malicious but she was definitely ignorant, naive and really lived up to her image as a spoilt little rich girl with delusions about her place in the world.

 

I didn't even see Celeb BB, yet by what I've been told no one was racist, but as you said the intent was racist. I honestly don't believe that Emilyshouldn'y have been kicked out as it wasn't ment ot be threatening, it's just the fact that BB are scared of another outroar from the ethnic group that the word can cause offence to. But you've really got to see it this way if Charley called one of the white contestants a honkey, vanilla face ect. nothing would've have been mentioned even though the term can be seen as racist.

[Guest Ravenmark]

Had to laugh when I read 'vanilla face' :lol

 

Funniest white put down EVER!

[Guest Nemesis Enforcer]

Simple fact for me is this, the word aint going away so you either learn to accept it how it is or you actually change the meaning of it and make it part of everyday life and thus take the power of those who use it to disparage people away

 

Personally I would make it a powerless word, you don't get anywhere but in more trouble when you forever give a word like Nigger power over people, a start has been made, black people are integrating it into normal life and the next step is for people to stop being afraid of the word and its connotations and move on, every new generation is becomming less sensative about words that for years have been highly offesive and caused rifts in all society and that imo is a good thing

[Guest Reno]

Had to laugh when I read 'vanilla face' :lol

 

Funniest white put down EVER!

 

Yeah, it is. But there could be some people that could find it offensive (I personally don't, I find it hilarious, but that's besides the point).

[Guest FreeSpirit]

To me it is just a word, same as every other word is just a word, its people that put a connitation to it, if no-one was offended by the word Nigger or Paki or anything else thats racist then the people using the words would lose everything they stand for and the word would become nothing in meaning

 

A word doesn't mean anything until people give it a meaning, Nigger is just a word, its people's reaction to it that makes it a racist word and causes rifts

 

The old rhyme 'sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me' is how I think people should live, there is no point getting offended by words becuase if you do then it just perpitrates the use of it in future

 

I was racially abused in the high street and called "nigger" repeatedly by a racist scumbag, and to this day its one of the lowest points of my life, I cant even begin to describe how hurt I felt. For anyone who thinks "nigger" is just another word, I would advise you to think again, because that is one of the most hurtful words I know. I dont even like being called it by other black people.