Racism? [Split from Big Brother 8 Thread]

[Guest MastersGonads]

To be honest, this just shows how PC todays world is.

 

Im sorry but I find that a very naive view....as I said to NE

 

Please, please please, read about the slave trade, read about the persecution of black people in America in the 50's and 60's, read about Martin Luther King, Malcom X, Nelson Mandela, Cassius Clay, Rodney King and the LA riots in the 80's

 

Then realise that in parts of America and the world today these same persecutions are still taking place, People are still being persecuted because of the colour of their skin, where there referred to simply as a Nigger or a Negro because they are a lesser race.

That across Europe the rise of the far right as highlighted by the BNP is a worrying sign that we didnt learn from Nazi Germany, and that Presidents of countries like Iran can dismiss the Holocaust ever happening

 

It simply isnt a case of just moving on.....To forget the past ever happened, or to brush it off as history, is forgetting what people fought for to gain equality in this world

 

To simply forget and move on is giving power to Le Pen, Mugabe and Ahmadinejad to continue to promote their racist idealism

[Guest Jung]

Thats not naive at all.

 

Yes its a derogatory word but it wasn't said in an offensive or deragatory manner. Thus its not anywhere near as bad as made out.

[Guest Dave7g]

Even Charley didn't think it was offensive, so how is it offensive? It's a word you hear all the time everywhere, mostly in rap music. And nobody minds the rappers using it in music, so why now is it the most offensive thing ever, oh yeah.

 

It's because a little blonde white girl used it.

[Guest FreeSpirit]

Then realise that in parts of America and the world today these same persecutions are still taking place, People are still being persecuted because of the colour of their skin, where there referred to simply as a Nigger or a Negro because they are a lesser race.[/Quote]

 

That sort of racism is rife here in Newcastle as well. I've been called "nigger, black c*nt, gollywo* and other racist words on a number of occasions now and get some awkward stares so many times here by people (including young kids) that I just try my hardest to shake it off and get on with things. I realise that I'm a minority race living in a predominantly white city, but it's still extremely hurtful.

 

I dont mean to sound rude, but when people say "oh its just another word" or sticks and stones, they honestly dont have a f*ckin clue.

[Guest MastersGonads]

Thats not naive at all.

 

Yes its a derogatory word but it wasn't said in an offensive or deragatory manner. Thus its not anywhere near as bad as made out.

 

But this isnt about Big Brother being politically correct....

 

Its about someone saying a racially derogative word, which could cause offence and taking action, in light of Celebrity Big Brother, they had no real choice....

 

Even Charley didn't think it was offensive, so how is it offensive? It's a word you hear all the time everywhere, mostly in rap music. And nobody minds the rappers using it in music, so why now is it the most offensive thing ever, oh yeah.

 

It's because a little blonde white girl used it.

 

Yes but she was shocked that Emily found it acceptable to use.....

 

As for how offensive is it

 

I dont mean to sound rude, but when people say "oh its just another word" or sticks and stones, they honestly dont have a f*ckin clue.

 

Speaks volumes....

Edited June 7, 2007 by MastersGonads

[Guest A.C.]

Let me just clarify. Are there people arguing that the word Nigger, in and of itself, is not an offensive word?

[Guest Dave7g]

It seems it's offensive when people feel like it, other times it's fine.

[Guest Reno]

The word is only as offensive as you make it out to be. But then again, I wouldn't know because "I'm not black". Yet, any other word isn't offensive because it doesn't have a history...

 

I don't mean to sound harsh, if that does. That's just the way I see it, just to clarify I'm not racist but I have used the word before but not trying to be offensive.

[Guest MastersGonads]

The word is only as offensive as you make it out to be. But then again, I wouldn't know because "I'm not black". Yet, any other word isn't offensive because it doesn't have a history...

 

I don't mean to sound harsh, if that does. That's just the way I see it, just to clarify I'm not racist but I have used the word before but not trying to be offensive.

 

About about Wop for Italians or Yid for Jews...or Spick for Hispanics or Hun for Germans....all offensive and all have history?

[Guest Reno]

About about Wop for Italians or Yid for Jews...or Spick for Hispanics or Hun for Germans....all offensive and all have history?

 

I highly doubt BB would've been as severe as they where with Emily if she said one of those words.

 

Say if I was on there getting verbally abused by a black guy in tiny doses by making fun of my height, weight and how I look and eventually I'd snap and call him a racist name, it would 'most likely' be me that gets in the most trouble, due to the PCness of today.

 

I'm not on Emily's side, she was up her own arse and she really shouldn't have said nigger but being kicked out was too harsh.

[Guest MastersGonads]

Say if I was on there getting verbally abused by a black guy in tiny doses by making fun of my height, weight and how I look and eventually I'd snap and call him a racist name, it would 'most likely' be me that gets in the most trouble, due to the PCness of today.

 

No doubt they would be looked upon for bullying, but yes would be in trouble, not because of a politically correct society, because you have been racist!

 

Or are we now saying that punishing people for being racially abusive is being overly politically correct?

[Guest Reno]

 

Or are we now saying that punishing people for being racially abusive is being overly politically correct?

 

The whole Emily thing is due to politically correctness. Charley didn't find it offensive, so surely it should've just been a big warning or a punishment like they gave out when Shabnam mentioned to Ziggy about mentioning nominations.

[Guest Miss T]

Sticks and stones is a load of bullsh*t!! If something offends someone, it offends them, different people are sensitive to different things and you cant tell them not be! For instance good2go doesnt like the term and it makes him feel uneasy to even hear it so if he was my friend I wouldnt use that word in front of him. Emily said nigga in front of charley and nicky (who is indian, not black) and they didnt find it offensive, surely that is the main point?! Yes you can say it offends the viewing public with just the word being mentioned but I hear it all the time in the media (even if it is after ten or in a movie or in un-edited music I download) and people dont seem to be so bothered then?! But if Emily had called Carole fat Or if Emily had called Tracy ugly then she wouldnt of been chucked out, and ugly or fat people might be offended but would just have to deal with it.

[Guest MastersGonads]

The whole Emily thing is due to politically correctness. Charley didn't find it offensive, so surely it should've just been a big warning or a punishment like they gave out when Shabnam mentioned to Ziggy about mentioning nominations.

 

But there is a slight difference in discussing nominations and using a globally accepted derogatary word....

 

Charley didnt find it offensive in context, but she was shocked that Emily found it socially acceptable to use such a word....

[Guest FreeSpirit]

The way I see it is, Emily's a grown woman who has her full senses. She should know by now that the word is offensive and derogatory. If she really thinks though that its socially acceptable to make comments like that and then laugh it off like its one big joke, then she seriously must have a screw loose.