Where to for ECW now?

[DC 536]

Is Nitro now an official Triple Crown winner in WWE? He's won the tag titles, a mid-card singles title (IC) and now a World title (ECW), so would you say he qualifies?

[Guest Twig]

Is Nitro now an official Triple Crown winner in WWE? He's won the tag titles, a mid-card singles title (IC) and now a World title (ECW), so would you say he qualifies?

 

I don't think so, I thought Triple crown was three titles at once.

[DC 536]

I don't think so, I thought Triple crown was three titles at once.

In WWE a triple crown winner is one who has held belts at three different "levels". Usually the tag titles, the mid-card title (IC or US) and a World title (ECW, WWE, World). So I'm assuming Nitro is in that group now.

[Guest Twig]

In WWE a triple crown winner is one who has held belts at three different "levels". Usually the tag titles, the mid-card title (IC or US) and a World title (ECW, WWE, World). So I'm assuming Nitro is in that group now.

 

Ah, that's it.

 

 

When was the last major heel/face turn? Like from a main eventer/upper midcarder? HHH on his first night back where he beat Flair all over the building?

[DC 536]

Ah, that's it.

 

 

When was the last major heel/face turn? Like from a main eventer/upper midcarder? HHH on his first night back where he beat Flair all over the building?

Carlito?

[Guest Twig]

HAH! I thought this was the Ask TWO thread for a second. :lol Thanks, though I don't really see Carlito beating up his girlfriend as too major, and that's just based on his status in the heirarchy.

[Guest Chriscare]

Finlay is way too old to give the ECW world title, i mean Benoit was old enough and finlay has almost a decade on him. ECW has the look of a new youthful brand. Everyone on it over the age of 30 is pretty much a jobber, having a 50 year old champion would take all that youthfulness away.

 

And like i said Finlay has no star power, he's not someone that the mainstream wrestling fan can get excited about. It's like all the people that say 'push Val Venis' 'WWE need to use Venis' They're solid workers but this isn't a glorified Indy fed, this is WWE, and you need alot more than that.

 

ECW needs someone as champion that will bring in the viewers, i mean people like Burke, and Punk are great, but with ECW ratings compared to Raw, half the WWE fans have no idea who they are, they turn over to see CM Punk as world champion they're gonna be thinking 'who the hell is that, they give that belt to anyone'. You get a credible champion, then it's gonna make whoever beats him look more credible himself, beating a Raw jobber for it isn't gonna do anything for the title of for Punk

[Paul 584]

ECW needs someone as champion that will bring in the viewers,

 

really?

 

I would say they need a champ who will fill the needs of the brand...and tahst to make stars for the main 2 brands. Who better than Finaly?

 

Lets be honest, people watch ECW for the wrestling, not the storylines.

[King 277]

really?

 

Who better than Finaly?

 

 

 

Yep 100% agreed on that one.

 

Could teach alot to the young guys aswell and a have a few killer matches in the process.

[Guest Drake]

ECW is fine as it is. They have a batch of great, fresh, young talent like Nitro, Punk, Burke, Cor Von and Striker. They should keep the belt on Nitro for a while and let him feud with Punk for like a period of two months. It will help get Nitro over as a legitimate champion and we can also have good match. After those two months end, have Punk go over Nitro and then he can feud with either Burke, Cor Von or once again with Nitro. Tis all good.

 

EDIT: I could also see the idea of Finlay working. They could work an angle where on Finlay's first appereance at ECW he's walking through the backstage corridors and they can have either Nitro or Burke make fun of him by saying he's old bla bla bla and that ECW is the place for young talent, not for old farts.

 

And then Finlay can teach the younguns, with Hornswoggle of course, a lesson or two.

Edited June 29, 2007 by Drake

[Guest Chriscare]

really?

 

I would say they need a champ who will fill the needs of the brand...and tahst to make stars for the main 2 brands. Who better than Finaly?

 

Lets be honest, people watch ECW for the wrestling, not the storylines.

 

I'm sure they do, but until you're exposed to it you're not gonna see the wrestling, and ECW's ratins are only about 1.9, which means there's alot of the WWE fan base which doesn't watch ECW.

 

It's been made clear over the past year that WWE doesn't want ECW to be something particularly different, but wants it to be a new brand, apparently Dusty Rhodes has been trying to pitch the idea of ECW being more of a training ground for younger stars than just another brand but Vince has shot down the idea serval times.

 

If WWE didn't care about ratings on ECW they'd have never brought Lashley and Vince to it over the last few months, they were there to bring in more viewers and to try get the undercarders some more exposure. Thats what the main event should be about, and Finlay isn't someone who can do that, the people who like Finlay are probably the same people who already watch ECW

 

ECW is fine as it is. They have a batch of great, fresh, young talent like Nitro, Punk, Burke, Cor Von and Striker. They should keep the belt on Nitro for a while and let him feud with Punk for like a period of two months. It will help get Nitro over as a legitimate champion and we can also have good match. After those two months end, have Punk go over Nitro and then he can feud with either Burke, Cor Von or once again with Nitro. Tis all good.

 

As long as ECW stays the way it is Nitro isn't gonna get over as a legitamate champion, he's just gonna be a champion of the poor third brand that no one really cares about. If they keep ECW the way it is, it's gonna look like WWE don't give a crap about ECW and it will weaken the brand. There's no point having all these talented young wrestlers on there if there's no one to help get them over, might aswell stick em on Raw and Smackdown and get them some exposure

Edited June 29, 2007 by Chriscare

[Guest DarkMatchJobber]

The brand draft did ECW no favours because all they gained was a veteran of the lower card in Viscera,a special attraction in Boogeyman,the annoying Miz and someone who has never been good enough to be anything other than a caretaker champion in Chris Benoit.

 

If Randy Orton's progress as an in-ring performer and talker continues than I think he'd be a good asset for the ECW brand,who could be more extreme than the man who 'ended' the careers of HBK and RVD with concussions?

 

(I know their careers are not over but WWE could build on the career killer thing)

 

Imagine if the RAW roster goes on strike and refuses to wrestle or even team with Orton because with his reputation they fear he'll end someone else's career and it's not like he can be trusted in partnerships,this could in turn see Orton traded to ECW because Smackdown's stars would have the same reservations about the legend killer and in the end ECW would be given it's hardcore identity as the only brand tough enough to have him.

[Paul 584]

It's been made clear over the past year that WWE doesn't want ECW to be something particularly different, but wants it to be a new brand, apparently Dusty Rhodes has been trying to pitch the idea of ECW being more of a training ground for younger stars than just another brand but Vince has shot down the idea serval times.

 

 

 

I had heard that ECW WAS being seen as a training ground now though. Which was one of the origional ides for it as you obviously know.

[Guest Drake]

As long as ECW stays the way it is Nitro isn't gonna get over as a legitamate champion, he's just gonna be a champion of the poor third brand that no one really cares about. If they keep ECW the way it is, it's gonna look like WWE don't give a crap about ECW and it will weaken the brand. There's no point having all these talented young wrestlers on there if there's no one to help get them over, might aswell stick em on Raw and Smackdown and get them some exposure

 

I see your point. They (Nitro, Punk, Burke and Cor Von) need someone to help them come across as legitimate. An already established Superstar.

 

I mean....

 

*ECW Spoiler*

 

 

just look at how the Cena/Nitro match this week helped Nitro look like a legit contender for Cena. IMO, it made Nitro and the ECW title look legit.

 

 

ECW would need a new baby-face to even things out. They already have a good batch of heels in Nitro, Burke, Cor Von and Striker. Punk is the only legit face they have. I think having Rey drafter to ECW once he comes back would be a tremendous to help solidify ECW, hell, or even Batista since he can't "challenge" Edge for the WHC again.

[Guest Chriscare]

Yea a babyface is definatly what they need, i mean people say that CM Punk gets a good reaction, but to be honest it's either that of the fans cheer nobody.

 

The brand draft did ECW no favours because all they gained was a veteran of the lower card in Viscera,a special attraction in Boogeyman,the annoying Miz and someone who has never been good enough to be anything other than a caretaker champion in Chris Benoit.

 

I dunno, they came out ok,

 

Snitsky for Viscera, at least Visc has experience and charisma,

Boogeyman for Sandman, Sandmans old and stale, Boogeyman is reasonably humorous,

Hardcore Holly for Johnny Nitro, alot more charisma and potential,

The Miz for the Major brothers, ECW has not tag division so getting rid of a tag team makes sense,

Lashley for Benoit, didn't work out too well obviously, but loosing Lashley was good for the ECW undercard, because with Lashleys gimmick no one was ever going to get put over on that show.