TWO Wrestling Club

[Guest Jimmy Redman]

How It Works

 

When its your turn, simply post in this thread a YouTube video (or videos - if there are more than one please post ALL of the parts here, not just the first) of a wrestling match that you want to share with the Club.

 

ALL members of the Club review ALL of the matches as they're posted, giving their thoughts and a score for the match out of 10. I strongly urge you to keep up to date with your reviewing, as a) you wont be able to post your own match if you're not, and b) trying to catch up on loads of matches all at once will probably suck.

 

The only real rule about what you can or cant use is that the total length of the video(s) you post cannot exceed 30 minutes.

 

There's also an unwritten rule in effect in the Music Club that should probably apply here, in that, please dont post the most obvious matches in the universe. If its something that you're sure everybody would have seen, or seen very recently (like, for example, the main event of this year's Wrestlemania), then try and choose something else. Otherwise we're just missing the point.

 

The Schedule

 

I've slowed the pace down a little from the MC so that we will have an entire week to do a group of matches before the next group. That gives people who are busy during the week plenty of time to get it done before we move on, as I imagine that falling behind in this format wouldnt be pretty.

 

Of course, if people arent happy with the schedule for whatever reason, let me know and we can tinker with it. The first time is going to be trial and error to get it right.

 

Thursday 17th November

Horowitz

The Def

Jamster

 

Thursday 24th November

Springsteen

Chris2k

John Hancock

 

Thursday 1st December

Maxximus

Jierda

Paul

 

Thursday 8th December

Jimmy Redman

Laffy

SHL

 

Thursday 15th December

Hanahbananabob

Chicharito

 

Have fun!

Edited November 16, 2011 by Jimmy Redman

[Guest Horowitz]

Do we post here?

Well I have anyways :D

 

HAKUSHI Vs 123 KID- SUMMERSLAM 95

 

[video=dailymotion;x5x9dq]http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x5x9dq_1-2-3-kid-vs-hakushi_sport

I Imagine we put our thoughts too?

 

I really loved Hakushi. I've always liked smaller wrestlers. 'Proper' workers I always thought.

Hakushi came in in a hot angle with Bret Hart but was soon demoted to jobber status. Sadness.

A good feel out to start the match, the crowd seemed up for it which they seemed to back in those days before monthly ppv's. Also Perhaps because where it was held which was probably a reason for quite a few Hakushi fans too.

Apart from the tilt the world botch and a few other sloppy bits (by the 123 kid imo) it was a solid effort.

Also noticed the Kid took a Bronco buster! perhaps he stole it from Hakushi :O

What also surprised me was the range of moves done by Hakushi for a small guy. Also these days it seems wrestlers aren't allowed to do certain moves that are similar to other guys stuff.

Anywhoooo,

I really enjoyed this match back when I first watched it live. I really enjoyed the whole card if I remember right, and I enjoyed the match just now as I watched it for the first time in over 15 years.

 

 

Would this match stand up today? I think so

Match rating back then? 8.5

Match rating today? 7.5

 

 

Let me know how the format for these reviews/comments should be. :D

Edited November 16, 2011 by Horowitz

[Guest Jimmy Redman]

Yes, post them in this thread. You dont have to review your own choice, although you're more than welcome to anyway. The format is whatever you want it to be, all you need is to discuss what you thought of the match and score it out of 10. How you go about that is up to you.

 

The Def and Jamster, I need your matches ASAP. I know the forum has been playing up the last couple days so no worries, but as soon as you're able. I want to make it clear going forward everyone needs to post their match on the day they're scheduled for. I want people to have as much time as possible to review them.

 

I will also rework the schedule to reflect the delay. New posting day is THURSDAY each week.

 

I have to go out now so I'll get to reviewing when I get home.

Edited November 17, 2011 by Jimmy Redman

[ShaolinHandLock 73]

I don't even need to watch the video, as I've seen the match before, but I'd give it a solid 6.5/10

 

I probably would have given it at least a 7, if I hadn't seen plenty of better matches, but as a match by itself, it's a really good example of just how talented both Shinzaki and Waltman are. It's a very fun high-flying match, and that about sums up my thoughts on it.

 

So yeah, 6.5/10.

[Guest Jimmy Redman]

Hakushi vs 123 Kid - Summerslam 1995

 

See, this is paying off for me already. This is exactly the kind of random match from years past that I feel I should watch but would never get around to.

 

Anyway, I liked the early lucha highspots. Early Kid, in general, is someone who I havent seen a lot of but who I reckon I'd really like if I had. Hakushi had some cool offense - the Bronco Buster I noticed, the Swagger Bomb-ish thing - but I was also quite bored when he was standing around stomping for what felt like an hour. However, the handspring backflip tope he did was INSANE and I marked. I also liked Kid's comeback and his Christian springboard tope. Its funny seeing these things in reverse order and seeing where moves come from. Finish seemed a bit anticlimactic, but I think thats partly a generational thing since for some reason it seemed to me a very '90s Undercard' thing to have happened.

 

In short, when they were doing lucha it was pretty fun, when they werent, not so much. Perfectly fun to watch but I cant say it really captured my interest or that I'd ever watch it again. 6/10

Edited November 17, 2011 by Jimmy Redman

[Guest Beefhead]

Sorry guys this is the first time Ive been able to sign on in a few days. I had narrowed my choices down to two on monday night but fell asleep before I posted em. Anyways the extra few days was nice because I changed my mind thinking one of my two choices most had probably seen, and the other was too recent. So heres a little classic ECW for you.

 

[video=youtube;Vivz6e_EVnM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vivz6e_EVnM

[Paul 584]

HAKUSHI Vs 123 KID- SUMMERSLAM 95

 

 

Its so easy to forget how good a worker Waltman was, but back in the day he really could go for it. Mordecai stole Hakushi's intro. :lol

Nice exchanges at the start, the hair pull got the crowd popping nice. The double kip up wasnt bad, timing was a tad out but I think that can be forgiven. Oooh, loving the counter at about 5.50

Terrible scoop slam near the end, Waltman was too small for that to look any good. I really enjoyed the ending, that out of nowhere style finish always gets me pumped for whats coming next on a PPV.

 

Yeah, a solid 7/10 for me.

[Guest Hanahbananabob]

Hakushi vs 123 Kid - Summerslam 1995

 

I haven't really seen any pre-1999 wrestling and before I watched this I had never heard of Hakushi! But this match was pretty good, it was pretty fast paced which is good, I'm not really someone who enjoys slow technical matches! I liked the bit where Hakushi kicked Kid out of the ring and then did the flip thing over the top rope, that was nice! As others have said the finish was a bit sudden, but I guess it was a surprise that Hakushi won when it seemed Kid had the victory!

So yeah, pretty good match, but wouldn't be something I would watch again, so I will give it 5/10!

 

Taz vs Yoshihiro Tajiri - ECW Heat Wave 1999

 

Tajiri! He was awesome, I loved watching his matches in WWE so its pretty cool to see some of his early stuff. I really liked this match, Tajiri hit some nice moves at the start and Taz's suplexes are always awesome! Some parts of the match were a bit slow, nothing seemed to happening in the middle. I don't really know the background of this match, like who the guys were on the outside of the ring, so wasn't too sure why some guy got thrown out of a wheelchair lol! Nice table spot, I always liked hardcore matches so anything with table spots in is good for me! Slightly random ending with the choking using barbed wire, was wondering what was going on as they had the cameras so far away, but going by what the commentators were saying I assume they got in trouble for that? But yeah good enjoyable match so I'm gonna give it 6.5/10.

[Guest Beefhead]

Yeah the barbed wire tazmission was the best part of the match. I remember thinking how insane that was. They had to keep the cameras at that distance I guess because of the graphicness of choking somebody out with barbed wire.

[Chris2K 176]

Haukshu vs. 1-2-3 Kid (SummerSlam 1995)

 

I actually started buying DVDs of shows from KOTR 1995 onwards earlier this year, so this one is a bit fresher in my mind than I'm sure some of the others will be. The first thing I noticed is how much more interested the crowd were in what is essentially a preliminary match. I liked Hakushi a bit but at the time I was very much influenced by who was winning and who wasn't, and Hakushi certainly wasn't after his run against Bret. His gimmick really was great though, the sort you probably wouldn't see today due to it's whackyness. Waltman is Waltman, and it's difficult for me to put aside how much I dislike him these days when I watch his old matches.

 

The start of the match was very fast-paced but still technically sound which is all you can ask for from a cruiserweight match, particuarly one that's kicking off a PPV. The tilt-a-whirl backbreaker screw-up was more noticeable because it would have been the first impact move of the match. I was surprised at how the crowd were very much behind Hakushi when he was on the attack, east coast crowd perhaps, but I personally was hoping it's because nobody liked Waltman, even back then. I wouldn't call it a bronco buster as there wasn't the latent homosexuality in the move that Waltman managed to convey with the move in later years. If you'd seen that for the first time in 1995 it wouldn't even be that noticeable a move. Hakushi's cartwheel moonsault to the outside was incredible, and the crowd really reacted to it because high-flying stunts hadn't worn out their welcome back then. Waltman's attempt at his springboard plancha was almost good, but he looked so out of control in the air that it could have been very dangerous. Hakushi winning actually surprised me because of the pre-match footage of him losing to Barry Horowitz, plus Waltman's on-off push in 1995 before he joined the Million Dollar Corporation.

 

If anything the match made me long for being in a time when more simple moves could entertain a crowd just as much as the most dangerous of stunts. They had a really entertaining match full of interesting moments and a finish that came out of nowhere. As a match on its own it would definitely score highly from me, but I'll add an extra mark on for being a match that performed its role in a show perfectly. As a result I'm scoring it 8 out of 10.

 

Oh, and I'm surprised the name "SummerSlime" didn't catch on as well as "SummerFest" did...

 

 

Tazz vs. Tajiri - ECW

 

My knowledge of ECW is very limited, and my watching of ECW matches is even lower than that. Personally it's not my kind of thing but I'm happy to become a bit more educated if more ECW matches are posted in the club.

 

I have absolutely no idea what we're joining this in progress of, but Joey Styles is excited so it MUST be interesting. It's immediately noticeable how both Tajiri and Taz are much quicker than when I saw them in the WWE, Tajiri's handspring elbow was the smoothest I've ever seen. They give me a PERFECT example of what I mentioned in the Hakushi/Kid match, Tajiri did that massive Asai moonsault and nobody cared. It just shows how people had become so used to those moves, and still are today. I was amazed to see a resthold so quickly in the match, even if Taz did suplex his way out of it and nearly broke Tajiri's neck in the process. I'm all for realistic moves but the suplexes (or Taz-plexes) thrown in the match just seemed so unnecessarily dangerous, although I'm certain not one person will agree with me about that. I will say the overhead belly-to-belly was perfectly done, and Tajiri's kicks were as impressive as always. And then there were lots of people involved, some I recognised, some I didn't. The wheelchair stuff I'm sure was fun for some people, I'm just not sure what it had to do with the title match taking place. I saw the suplex through the table coming a mile off but it was still a decent spot, but then I go straight back to wondering why this match needs brutal violence like barbed wire strangulation, and to be honest the widescreen at the end left me completely clueless as to what the finish actually was. I'm assuming Taz won based on the fact his music was playing.

 

So yeah, it's not that I didn't enjoy the match, I just didn't really get it. My lack of ECW knowledge really played into it as I didn't know any of the context of why this match was taking place, what the storyline taking place on the outside had to do with anything, and I still haven't worked out how the match ended. Sorry ECW fans, I'm only giving this 5 out of 10, all of which is for the in ring action and nothing for the outside stuff.

[Paul 584]

Taz Vs Tajiri

 

Yeah, both these guys ruled in ECW. I forgot how bad ass Taz looked back then. Its a testiment to his gimmick that C2K thinks his suplexes are that much more dangerous than a normal one. Snug yeah, dangerous nah, not if you know what you're doing.

This is a perfect example of how to do a hardcore style match, limit your spots and sell them like a bastard. The Styles stuff at the end 'stay wide, stay widfe, this selfish bastard is going to get us thrown of pay per view' was brilliantly done.

 

Yeah, loved this entire thing. 8.5/10

[Guest Jamster26]

Here's mine.

 

 

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[video=youtube;IBJftvNmzHI]

[Paul 584]

The only real rule about what you can or cant use is that the total length of the video(s) you post cannot exceed 30 minutes.

 

 

Jamster, learn to read you plum!

 

 

edit: I should add that I'm joking. I imagin that tiny bit over isnt actually going to bother anyone. :lol

Edited November 17, 2011 by Paul

[Guest Jimmy Redman]

Yeah I'll let it go, but please do learn to read.

 

Taz vs Yoshihiro Tajiri - ECW Heat Wave '99

 

The amount of ECW I've watched from this period is miniscule. In fact I'm not sure if I've even seen a single match post-97.

 

Despite the fact that I have no idea whats going on I liked how the video cut in 'in progress'. Gave it that chaotic, ECW feel. Anyway, I liked this match probably more than I thought I would. I liked the early moonsault outside, and especially the Tarantula countered with an Alabama Slam. I hope someone else thought to do that, thats a cool spot. I liked Tajiri kicking him and Taz going "F*ck that" and suplexing him onto his head, although the headdrops in general make me cringe. I legit laughed at Corino being wheelchair'd, for whatever reason. The powerbomb on the ramp looked like it sucked. I totally loved Taz doing the badass no-sell of the Kicks ending in the table suplex, that rocked.

 

Finish was weird as hell to me watching it, to me the "go wide!" panicking was overly contrived and didnt interest me, especially as it only resulted in me not having any idea what was going on. I didnt even realise it was barbed wire until reading this thread afterwards. I'd probably be more impressed/grossed out with the spot had I actually seen it. As it was, it was anti-climactic.

 

Anyway, on the whole I rather enjoyed it, despite the issues. The match itself I liked, as a sort of bomb-throwing sprint, with Tajiri throwing all his offense at Taz and Taz being the badass ace and tossing him around. 7/10

Edited November 18, 2011 by Jimmy Redman

[ShaolinHandLock 73]

Taz vs Yoshihiro Tajiri - Really liked the start of this one, the fast-paced high-flying and suplexes make it seem as if each man wants to beat the other up as quickly as possible. Of course, the match then slows down, but it's still very enjoyable. The outside stuff was fun too.....that wheelchair to the face looked really dangerous, good grief! The finish was ruined by the "go-wide" thing though, way to ruin what could have been a nasty looking finish, instead you can't see anything! I'll also say this: this is far from my favourite match of either man, but overall I really enjoyed it. I just think that if the pace didn't slow down shortly after it began, and the finish was actually shown properly, I would have enjoyed it far more. Still, a good match, and it gets a generous 7/10 from me.

 

I'll review Jamster's pick later.