When will Taker put someone over?

[Guest FreeSpirit]

Is it me or does Taker never put anyone over and do a 'job'? The last time I can remember Taker putting anyone over without the need for cheating was against Brock Lesnar at No Mercy 2002 in the Hell in the cell-or otherwise its the same old story where its a decisive Taker victory or his opponent has to cheat to get a victory.

Some ppl may point to HHH doing the same thing on Raw but at least he's put people like Shelton Benjamin and Chris Benoit over this year and more than once as well.

How are talent like Booker (Judgment Day)and Heidenreich (Survivor Series)suppose to get pushed if Taker doesnt help push them?

[Guest The Assignment]

Woah woah woah. I'm sorry but i just saw you use the words "talent" and "Heidenreich" in the same sentence. That just isn't right!

[Guest Davros]

I half agree with you there (and I say this as an Taker fan).

 

The problem is his character, which is meant to be indestructable, 'The Phenom'.

 

They've done their best to bring the character down to a more human level. E.g. he just puts himself in a state where he can just ignore pain and sit up rather than he's a 'deadman'. Unfortunatley he is still 'The Phenom' and as such is expected to be nigh unbeatable. I mean just look at his entrance - its designed to be awe inspiring. If you ever watch Smackdown and the Undertaker enters the arena just sit and wait for Michael Cole to use the phrase 'Spine-Chilling!!' he does it every time.

 

His character has been built up to a level where the only way you can beat him is to either cheat or get help. i.e. - JBL

 

I don't believe that Taker refuses to job to anyone its just he can't without negating some of the power of the character.

 

How are talent like Booker (Judgment Day)and Heidenreich (Survivor Series)suppose to get pushed if Taker doesnt help push them?

 

You mentioned Booker T - the problem with that scenario was Booker's story. He had just been traded to Smackdown and wasn't happy. He disrespected the other stars and as such needed to be taught a thing or two hence a beating by the Taker. It couldn't really go any other way.

 

As for Heidenreich. I think my friend The Assignment covered that well enough. He shouldn't of even been in the ring with Taker.

 

I agree that Taker hasn't put over anyone recently but I don't think its entirely his fault. His character is meant to be unbeatable. Personally I would've liked him to remain under Heymans control. I think he would've been slightly more human and believeable. As a heel he would be put into a situation where he would be winning through cheating and as a heel could therefore job to others.

 

Just a thought.

 

:xyx

[Guest Jayden]

yeah it has to be said that to a certain point his character dictates it. I mean, the no selling thing. That wasn't just a case of Taker deciding he was going to no sell stuff. It's part of his character. As a face he's supposed to be indestructible and people are supposed to need to cheat to beat him. As a heel he's supposed to be dominant and almost impossible for a face to get past.

 

Remember how he put Mankind over though and how well it worked? Mankind was pushed as the first person to ever get a clean win over Taker and it made people instantly take him seriously.

 

Because of Taker's character and the fact that he's rarely putting someone over when it does happen it has so much more impact.

 

I can think of a lot of times though when it would have been more beneficial to the company for him to get beat clean than it would have for him to get yet another victory. However, is it really Taker's duty to look out for others?

 

You get into the business to make money and if it's anything else you seek you're either misguided or an idiot. You try to protect your own career as much as possible first, and think of other people's careers second. Fans may not like that but who's gonna be laughing at the end of the day, the big guy that's made a hell of a lot of money, or the guys like us sat at home whingeing about him?

[Fletch 204]

Takers put plenty of people over in his day. Hell the guy even got Jeff Hardy over with people who werent screaming little adolescent girls or Kam. he got him over with the Spot Monkey fans who like seeing grown men risk paralysis by jumping off ladders and not actually being able to wrestle a single move, but hey they love Jeff Hardy

[Guest JoschMH]

It doesnt just apply to Taker. Pretty much any face never loses to heel cleanly, otherwise the heel wouldnt be a heel! How can u hate a guy that beats the good guy fair and square?

 

And as for Takers character. I think its kinda stoopid after th whole biker image. He should have stayed a biker or never have been 1 in the first place. It feels so fake after seeing him so normal.

 

Im sure if he was in the ring with another face theyd be put over though. I guess that would be something to end his run in the WWE and push a rising star 2 the next level.

 

Josch

[Red05 343]

All good points, but i think Jayden put it best;

He's THE PHENOM THE DEADMAN, and to keep up this image he HAS to win almost all the time or it won't work. If he put a guy over every week it wouldn't be THE PHENOM anymore, it's be "that guy."

[Guest Bluestiger99]

I agree. If Taker starts jobbing to people, then it kills his deadman character. In a sense, How do you kill what is already dead? If everyone beats him, then it really just looks silly.

[DC 536]

If anybody has read The Rock's book, there is a good story in there about the first meeting he has with Taker, and Taker decides taht Rocky, who has just joined tha nation and started using the Rock Bottom, should beat him CLEAN, with that move. And Taker has put over many folk, Kane, Mankind, Rock, Austin, HHH, Shamrock, Kama fo fck sake. So to say he won't put anyone over is wrong.

 

I believe that Taker will lose at WM21 to somebody. Don't know who, but it will be a career high. Like Y2J is always gonna be the 1st Undisputed champ, the person who beats Taker at his last Mania, will always be the only man who could beat Taker at WM. Not Snuka, Jake, Gigante *groan*, Bundy, Nash, Sid, Kane(x2), Boss Man, HHH, Flair, or A-Train/Big Show. Just that guy, say Edge or someone of that ilk.

 

It would be great IMO.

[Guest Bluestiger99]

I really don't see them putting someone over Taker at Mania. He's been to loyal to the company and around so long that I don't think it will happen. I can see Taker winning and then retiring shortly after, but not him losing.

[Guest xzonewrestling]

All character angles aside look at the plausability, as youve all mentioned of him winning alot of the time but also look at his opposition, i am a huge fan of smackdown currently, but WWE in 2004 is not what WWE was in 1994, you simply cannot expect to put a young guy in with a veteran, put him over and expect the fans to latch onto him for ever and ever.....its unfortunate but true, we live in a world full of internet cynics who disect wrestling rather than enjoy it, or enjoy it through disection....im not sure

 

Taker is a step or two above everyone else, IMO smackdown are playing the pushing game, Eddie's title run, JBL's title run, Carlito's US debut, Cena's.....character and the actual use of the Big Show lead me too believe that smackdown are trying to establish themselves indepedantly so to speak, rather than The HHH show, who push wrestlers, i dont deny that but seem to do so more hesitantly (at the end of the day the WWE can always take chances on SD as they have RAW to fall back on)

 

However i digress, my point is simply that Taker has been at the top of his game longer than alot of the roster has been in the game, the roster split, retirements and other various reasons mean the WWE no longer have Rocks, Austins, HHHs, Takers, Mankinds all on one roster, with Taker on his part time contract SD can try an get JBLs, Booker T's, Cenas, Big Shows, Guerreros in that category in a few years time

 

point is though, when taker does come back, for him to be gettin beat, despite putin people over would just look silly, regardless of his character hes a top wrestler that fans dont exect to lose! Itd just look......well silly!

 

i think theres a point in there somewhere

[Spiritchaser 107]

"And you will know my name as The Lord of Darkness"

"Soon Yokozuna, you too will Rest...In...Peace"

 

Taker cannot lose at Mania, he will retire 13-0, 13 is his lucky number.

Check his history, it's true.

 

Spiritchaser

Original Creature

[Guest Buff]

all i can say to this topic is when they have taker stop fueding with crap wrestling like the wanna be phycho sid and start wrestling so top ranked ppl.then you may see him lose.

[Guest HH-Evolution]

Riiiight...

 

Oo

 

I'll go get the sniper rifle for the post monkey there...XD

[Guest MachoMat]

It's like 'Chaser said. He will leave with his perfect WM record. He deserves it too.

 

I can't remember who said it but someone on this forum wrote, and I paraphrase, "When you put someone over right, you both look good." Taker can, has, and does do that.