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WWE Great American Bash- Sunday 24th July 2005

 

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The Great American Bash card will feature matches such as Undertaker Vs Hassan, Orlando Jordan Vs Benoit and Batista Vs JBL for the World Title. Quiz participants will be tested on their knowledge of all kinds of wrestling topics, but special attention should be paid to the history of previous WWE July shows and WCW Great American Bashes. With Quizmaster Colin on a well deserved holiday, Quizmaster Russ will be filling in to fill the quota of Diva Search and Coach questions.

 

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Matches

• World Heavyweight Championship:
  Batista vs. JBL
  
• United States Championship:
  Orlando Jordan vs. Chris Benoit
  
• Muhammad Hassan vs. Undertaker
  
• Eddie Guerrero vs. Rey Mysterio
  
• Bra & Panties Match:
  Melina vs. Torrie Wilson
  
• WWE Tag Team Championship:
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• Christian vs. Booker T
  
• The bWo vs. The Mexicools
   
  

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[Guest poland74]

I'm hoping for yet another quality ppv from WWE with this. The matches announced on paper are mostly quite good, although I'm not expecting any of the matches to be classics they should be quite entertaining. This ppv should be a hell of a lot better than last years GAB for sure.

 

The taker-Hassan situation should be very interesting as to what happens during/after the match as none of us have any idea what WWE will do now.

[Guest mankind]

Well looks like I've found someone to tape it for me so I wont have to wait for the DVD release...woop. Lookes like a pretty strong card overall

[Dead Crow]

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Welcome to our live coverage of the Great American Bash from the HSBC Arena in Buffalo. We're looking for your thoughts on the show, so please leave a thumbs up, thumbs down or thumbs in the middle along with a best and worst match to dave@wrestlingobserver.com.

 

The Heat match is Paul London vs. Nunzio for the cruiserweight title. They rushed through a 2:00 match ending with London winning with a shooting star press.

 

MNM vs. Big Bad John & Animal are opening the show. Isn't the usual idea to open with a hot action match? Animal & Heidenreich won with a doomsday device on Mercury. Big LOD chant for the finish. They kept the match short and it wasn't bad. Animal then grabbed the mic and said this was for Hawk.

 

They announced Domenick at ringside during the Guerrero vs. Mysterio match. I guess we can have the sequel for "Beyond the Mat." And the WWE can blame it on the movie producers.

 

Booker vs. Christian is up next. Booker won with an axe kick off the middle rope. Better than average. Lots of Christian fans, probably more than for Booker. They tried to blame it on Christian bussing fans in from Toronto.

 

Orlando Jordan vs. Chris Benoit for the U.S. title is up now. Well, the U.S. title it still worthless. Jordan rammed Benoit's head into an exposed metal turnbuckle and got the pin. Benoit did a good job in the match. People didn't care about the match itself, but Benoit's work got them into it as it got going.

 

Undertaker vs. Muhammad Hassan is next. They showed the clips from Sacramento. I'm presuming this would be airing in England. They also came out with the masked guys back. He came out to virtually no heat until he talked. The masked men were brought to ringside. Hassan promised a win and that he would be back on Smackdown on Thursday. Even this didn't get anywhere near the heat you'd expect.

 

Undertaker pinned Hassan with a choke slam. He destroyed all the masked guys including tombstonining the guy with the piano wire, who did use it. This sure looked like a character burial. Undertaker exposed a giant hole in the stage and gave him a last ride through the hole. Match sucked but the last spot got over big. They pretended he landed on concrete. They showed him on the floor with blood everywhere. They claimed he was rushed to the hospital.

 

Mexicools vs. BWO is up next. Mexicools won when Psicosis pinned Richards after a legdrop off the top. It came off like a throwaway. An "ECW" chant early but no heat here.

 

Mysterio vs. Guerrero with Domenick at ringside is next up. They have 70 minutes left in the show and just two matches and a bra & panties, so this should be a fairly long match. Domenick bleached his hair and looks like David Flair. Ohmygod, the secret isn't that Eddie is the father, it's that Ric Flair is the father.

 

Guerrero hit the frog splash, but Mysterio cradled him from that position, and that's all she wrote. No secret revealed tonight. Best match so far, but would have only been 5th best on last week's TNA PPV.

 

Bra & panties match is next. Melina won by stripping Wilson. Candice Michelle then stripped Melina, and then Michelle stripped herself.

 

Main event with Batista vs. JBL is up next. JBL has guaranteed victory.

 

After a ref bump, Jordan brought in a chair. Dave got it away and hit both Jordan and JBL with it for the DQ. Post-match, Batista hit both men four additional times each with a chair. Match went way too long, dragged bad, crap finish. He power bombed Jordan after all the chair shots. Then power bombed JBL as well. People live seemed happy he destroyed them, but very flat on television.

 

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I agree with pretty much all of that. Some of the stuff was good, but overall a very weak PPV saved only by Eddie/Rey. JBL/Batista was bad, bWo v Mexicools fell apart, and the rest ranged from ok to just plain wrong. Although the Hassan character burial was fun to watch. I was half surprised, half not surprised, but there ends the sage I guess.

 

Summerslam better be better than this. Thumbs down.

[Guest Rog]

Oh dear WWE had a great run with the PPVs so far this year but it came to a mundane halt there, dullness reigned, not a crap event just nothing stood out, no attraction match, JBL and Batista both blew up 10 minutes into the match and started fighting in slow motion. But the Hassan angle was interesting and Eddie Rey had some life to it.

 

Booker was booed, and Paul London was on heat V Nunzio instead of on the PPV card :roll

 

I bet the armed forces are so glad they got that event for free!

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[Guest Dave7g]

Oh my God that was awful. Batista and JBL was worse than the Bra and Panties match. Taker and Hassan was really bad as were the rest, definetly the worst PPV since the last Great American Rash.

[Guest MARTIN316V1]

Taker almost killed Hassan with that Last Ride. His head was inches away from smacking the other side of the stage.

 

I reckon we might end up getting Taker vs Batista vs JBL at Summerslam or the possible addition of Orton to make it a 4 way. It makes sence rather than having Taker one-on-one with Dave as i think Taker would be more over than him and it could hurt his popularity.

 

As for the PPV, i thought it was alright nothing special. Some bits were good but other parts just seemed to drag on forever.

[Guest Jimmy Redman]

Glad I didnt watch it then.

 

Why in Gods name did OJ and Booker T go over??? OJ maybe I can understand, but for God sakes, why did Booker T pin Christian? Im hoping they continue the feud so C2 can get the loss back. Geez...

 

And my friends Vivienne says hi to everyone, and wishes them a Merry Christmas :)

[Guest Jack]

People moan about Triple H and backstage politics, but both Taker and JBL are a joke. Why could Batista not of won clean? And did Taker have to beat all them followers?

 

Taker beats 6 people, and Hassan who had a decent undefeated run, and we are meant to believe he couldn't beat JBL last year? When you think about who has beaten who, it makes the ttile seems totally worthless, as there is no momentum about the top wrestlers.

 

Same thing for Eddie, he had a good run a while back. Now, he loses again to Mysterio? I really don't understand it. I can also see this fued not stopping yet, and it's at the point where it is painful. It should of been ended months ago.

 

Batista didn't win clean. He beats Triple H three times in a row on PPV's, but struggles againgst JBL?

 

It's pathetic I think. Whethet it's politics or not, it should stop, simply because it looks f***ing ridiculous.

[Dead Crow]

To be fair to Taker, he had to win. If Hassan's character was being killed, Taker had to kill him, pure and simple. It will also make Orton lool stronger if they ever decide to give him the win over the Deadman.

 

And Redman, C2 won't get his win back. Whether I agree or not, the face usually always goes over in the blow off, and that was the blow off. If anything, Booker got HIS win back after the SmackDown result.

[Guest mankind]

Taker almost killed Hassan with that Last Ride. His head was inches away from smacking the other side of the stage.

 

I reckon we might end up getting Taker vs Batista vs JBL at Summerslam or the possible addition of Orton to make it a 4 way. It makes sence rather than having Taker one-on-one with Dave as i think Taker would be more over than him and it could hurt his popularity.

 

As for the PPV, i thought it was alright nothing special. Some bits were good but other parts just seemed to drag on forever.

 

While I think a triple threat at Summerslam would be good I truly think if it happens they'll give JBL the belt because of some controversy again....

 

Also what's up with Benoit not winning ? This time last year he was the Heavyweight Champion same goes for Gurrero, and now he can't be Mysterio !?

 

also..why was Taker Hassan so low down the card, second match according to WWE.com, they're both very slow competitors who generally have cruddy matches until the last 5 minute climax so why kill any momentum created with the opener by putting on these two. It all seems very odd, but I'll have to watch it before I start rating the event as a whole.

[Guest The Beltster]

Wow, Hogan wins a match over Hassan and gets crapped on, yet Taker totally destroys him and makes him look like a jobber and its ok...double standards AS USUAL! What a joke!

 

And yes, Hassan did have to be removed from TV, but if Hogan was used to remove him, people would be crying and moaning "Why not have a younger guy remove him who needs a push and who would be helped by getting the win?" But its ok for 40+ year old Taker to do it, and do it with ease? Please!

 

Booker T over Christian? Stupid.

 

Eddie vs Rey was decent, but they will never capture their 1997 form, so they should quit trying already.

 

JBL vs Batista was dull, the screwjob ending was a political move it seems, and a stupid one at that.

 

Bra & Panties...eh.

 

Orlando Jordan is the worst US champion of all time (yes he IS worse than David Flair) and Benoit could have given that worthless title a much needed boost in the credability department...but no, they leave it on OJ...why?

 

Animal made MNM, one of the only good things on SmackDown!, look like crap. I fully expect you all to crap all over Animal for going over the younger guys...or will those double standards show themselves again? Animal isnt even in shape!

 

This PPV sucked...thats 2 for 2 on the GAB, way to go, WWE.

[Guest Matt]

WWE.COM are playing up the Hassan last ride by showing him been stretcheredinto an ambulance so im guessin that he's going to be 'injured' for a while then probably turn up on RAW.

[Guest Jung]

Again after last night's burial, who's saying he's coming back as Mohammed Hassan at all? Still confused by people saying, once he's back. He was totally destroyed last night, in a kind of "let's end this" fashion. The fact he came out to utter silence, as well should suggest he wouldn't have drawn anyway.

 

And belty, you have to admit, this time you brought up Hogan. I think its wrong if either guy had beaten Hassan, if he was gonna main event, but totally right if either guy beats him, if he's about to be finished. Thats my view.

 

Anyway, I thought the event was poor. No real great matches, some horrible finishes, and the wrong people winning.

 

Do people on SD think JBL is their main draw or something? He hasn't drawn in the slightest, yet his push suggests that he's their biggest draw, and is their only hope for making money, A DQ win on such a crap card, was such a bad finish. It also makes both wrestlers look stupid, as neither kept their guarantee. OJ beating Chris Benoit was a joke. Instead of using Benoit as a main eventer, they are now using him to put over rookies with titles no-one cares about, great.

 

Way to use MNM, build them up, them have them lose to a team involving a joke and a washed up brother of the booker, who've teamed for a week. They are useless now MNM, probably, and its totally killed any momentum they had.

 

Mexicools v BWO should have been an opener, and wasnt any good. Eddie v Rey was another anti-climax, and is getting as drawn out as the Outlaw-James angle on TNA. The matches while good, are getting boring now, and while its good build up, there's no pay off, thus no point, and just time wasting. Booker v Christian was sad too. Christian nearly main event Raw, no finds himself lower mid card on SD, whilst JBL gets 30 min promos each week, and 30 min PPV matches. I think JBL is alright, but come on SD doesn't need their version of HHH, with a guy who has 100 more times more TV than everybody else.

[Guest The Beltster]

Again after last night's burial' date=' who's saying he's coming back as Mohammed Hassan at all? Still confused by people saying, once he's back. He was totally destroyed last night, in a kind of "let's end this" fashion. The fact he came out to utter silence, as well should suggest he wouldn't have drawn anyway.[/quote']

 

I think he will be back once they hit USA. The reason I think this is because he is a heat magnet thats for sure, and after taking the last ride, they made a huge deal of him being mangled on the floor and made a huge deal of him going out on the stretcher and into the ambulance and so on. They are even making a big deal of it on WWE.com. If they wanted him gone for good, I'd imagine after he took the last ride through the stage, the announcers would have said something along the lines of "Oh Hassan has been powerbombed to Hell! I bet we will never see him again!" and they wouldnt have given him any more airtime at all. Thats how they usually deal with departures.

 

And belty' date=' you have to admit, this time you brought up Hogan. I think its wrong if either guy had beaten Hassan, if he was gonna main event, but totally right if either guy beats him, if he's about to be finished. Thats my view.[/quote']

 

No doubt I brought up Hogan, because this is double standards if people dont complain that Taker beat him in that fasion. Reason being, even if Hogan had beat him last night when he was about to be finished, people would have acted like babies and cried about how "Hogan didnt need to be the one who beat him, a younger guy who needs the win should have!" yet Taker, who certainly isnt young or in need or any kind of push, hammers the crap out of him and its ok? Nah, that doesnt fly with me, its rediculous.

 

Overall the whole show was terrible, the booking was atrocious. I mean, why did Booker T go over Christian? To me, it defies logic. Nobody cares about Booker anymore, for the most part, and soon nobody will care about Christian and if that happens, thats a HUGE wasted opportunity IMO.

 

And the bWo vs Mexicools thing, another wierd piece of booking. I dont care who goes over, but if the bWo is going to job, why would you book the main guy to lay down? Why not have Hollywood Simon Dean take the fall? Its just so stupid you wonder if somebody in the back is taking the piss on purpose.

 

As for the MNM thing...Animal walks like the Iron Shiek almost, and is totally out of shape, he looks like hell. I can understand them wanting to promote the DVD, but just having him work as a manager to Heidencrap would be sufficient, jobbing out your only good tag team to him...oh dear.

 

SmackDown! sucks, its no wonder I never bother watching the weekly show.

[Guest Brock Strongo]

Wow, Hogan wins a match over Hassan and gets crapped on, yet Taker totally destroys him and makes him look like a jobber and its ok...double standards AS USUAL! What a joke!

 

The thing is though chrisMa Hogan hasn't got a move like the last ride does he

 

Its more realistic to say Hassan has been destroyed by a Last ride than Hassan was destroyed by a big boot and a leg drop

[Guest MrFill]

From the top

 

We have a guy who can't work (but seems to be getting over) and an over-the-hill wrestler who is so out of shape that he looks pregnant go over the two really over heels who are too green to carry the match... do we think that Animal being Johnny Ace's brother has anything to do with this? Maybe they hope that the Road Warriors DVD will sell more, anyways, WRONG decision, because putting the straps on these two is a joke for the tag "division"

 

Christian is now a definite mid-carder for life - no matter how good his mic work is, he gets squashed in the ring - nice way to treat the best mic worker on SD!!!

 

Benny was World Champ last year, yet he can't beat the US Champ - so, US Title > World Title, right? Wrong choice here as Benny couldn have run with the title and brought it some really needed credibility and carried some of the younger guys to good matches

 

Hassan HAD to be taken off TV, and remember that 6 men attacking Taker can't beat him, so what chance will anybody else have? And you can't even choke him out - he is No-Sell-Man!!! Had to end it that way, but oh well

 

Eddie was WWE Champ a year ago, but he can't beat Rey, so Rey could easily be World Champ, right? And what's with the crappy roll-up for the ending? Bah! Could have at least gone DQ

 

Bra & Panties? Penultimate match? Yup, it's THAT important! Seriously, it is!

 

Haven't watched DAVE~! vs JBL yet, but what's wrong with putting him over JBL clean? How much stroke does JBL have?

 

 

I really hate that I paid for this tripe - it won't be staying on the hard disk for long

[Guest Drake]

Thank God I didnt order this PPV.

 

Stupid booking, sheesh WWE think.

 

 

I mean Booker over Christian, what a great way to continue Christians push than to have him loose his 1st PPV on SD.

 

Yes have Orlando Jordan beat Benoit, extend the feud, great idea, it will get the fans more amped up :roll

 

I mean how come stupid Animal and Heidenrich go over MNM ?? Just nonsense,stupid booking.

 

And even the Eddie vs Rey match, they could have let Eddie won and tell teh secret and making it more interesting, but nooooo.Phttt

 

And stupid crappy shite crap JBL going over even with a DQ :roll

 

 

Another excellent booking job from WWE (Yeah right.)

[Dead Crow]

Wow' date=' Hogan wins a match over Hassan and gets crapped on, yet Taker totally destroys him and makes him look like a jobber and its ok...double standards AS USUAL! What a joke![/quote']

If that's directly aimed at me, you're talking utter s**t. I couldn't care less if The Shockmaster came and killed him. If Hassan had to die, he had to die. So Hogan got a bad deal from us for it before - bad timing on his part. It was a necessity last night. Simple as.

[Guest The Beltster]

If that's directly aimed at me' date=' you're talking utter s**t. I couldn't care less if The Shockmaster came and killed him. If Hassan had to die, he had to die. So Hogan got a bad deal from us for it before - bad timing on his part. It was a necessity last night. Simple as.[/quote']

 

Nope, wasnt aimed directly at anybody, but seeing as you answered, I'm not talking **** at all mate, your f'n deluding yourself. Bad timing my ass, its a case of Hogan bashing, from you, because you dont like him. Its a case of double standards, from you, because you dont like him.

 

If Hogan had gone over last night, you would have undoubtably said "Why couldnt somebody else go over who needed it like Christian?".

 

Deny if you want (and you will) but its true, simple as.

[Dead Crow]

I'm sure it is, because you're so high and glorious and smart.

 

It's called logic, brother. Look it up. A character is on the way out, and someone needs to dispose of them. If it was Hogan, that's fine. American hero disposes of Arab/American heel forever (seemingly). Undertaker, former American Bad Ass, on his way to a title shot, disposes of Arab-American heel. Makes sense. You could stick anyone in the role and let them do it.

 

I presume you also think that if we replaced Hogan with Undertaker at Backlash, I'd be kissing Taker's ass and defending it. Now THAT would be double standards. As it is, I wouldn't. I've come down on Taker as hard as I have Hogan on many occassions, not that that'll suit your argument but it's flawed anyway. But on this one very occassion, with the Hassan character needing to be disposed of, it didn't matter who it was. As long as there was somewhat of a story to it, what's the problem?

 

 

So get off your high and mighty red and yellow horse for a moment. If you wish to stay up there, then fine, but don't drop your s**t over me down here.

[Guest Simon]

I don't think people would have been that bothered Beltmark, I mean I think everybody understands that the character would have had to go, so like Dra said it wouldnt have mattered how they had done it. If it was Hogan I think people might even have preferred it to be honest, at least it would make more sense. Of course you'd get the usual people who'd just shout "OMG HOGAN IS TEH BAD" but they would be in the minority in my opinion.

 

And a question... do people really think that the JBL thing was truly political? If that was so then people are suggesting he has more stroke than HHH or what? I mean if Big Dave could get 3 clean wins over HHH then I honestly dont see how he couldnt have got it with Bradshaw too... I'm not entirely sure it was purely political, and might have been for another reason.

[Guest Matt]

So get off your high and mighty red and yellow horse for a moment. If you wish to stay up there' date=' then fine, but don't drop your s**t over me down here.[/quote']

 

:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

 

Told.

[Guest The Beltster]

You're so high and glorious and smart.

 

Very true, thankyou.

 

It's called logic' date=' brother. Look it up. A character is on the way out, and someone needs to dispose of them. If it was Hogan, that's fine. American hero disposes of Arab/American heel forever (seemingly). Undertaker, former American Bad Ass, on his way to a title shot, disposes of Arab-American heel. Makes sense. You could stick anyone in the role and let them do it.[/quote']

 

I know exactly what its called, and I know exactly how it works. But it makes no difference in this case because IF it was Hogan going over instead of Taker, people would have moaned that somebody else (specifically somebody younger and more in need of a big win) should have been the man to do it, stating Hogan didnt need the win, is too old and is broken down...all of which also applies to the Undertaker. If you can sit there and state that that wouldnt have been said, then I dont think your being honest.

 

It makes sense, I am not denying it or questioning it, not one time did I. What I am questioning is the double standards which excist here.

 

I presume you also think that if we replaced Hogan with Undertaker at Backlash' date=' I'd be kissing Taker's ass and defending it. Now THAT would be double standards. As it is, I wouldn't. I've come down on Taker as hard as I have Hogan on many occassions, not that that'll suit your argument but it's flawed anyway. But on this one very occassion, with the Hassan character needing to be disposed of, it didn't matter who it was. As long as there was somewhat of a story to it, what's the problem?[/quote']

 

Put it this way, who came down on HBK about Backlash? NOBODY! He is 40, has a broken down body (albeit he can still 'go'), but the main factor that everybody moaned about Hogan going over was "Why did the older guy who didnt need the win go over the younger man who would have benefitted from it?" and Shawn Michaels was also 50% of the team who went over, and he didnt need the win nor benefitted from it, but who got all the ****? We all know who, Hogan, as always.

 

The problem is the double standard. Whats good for the goose isnt good for the gander most of the time and its rediculous, not to mention extremely frustrating.

 

So get off your high and mighty red and yellow horse for a moment. If you wish to stay up there' date=' then fine, but don't drop your s**t over me down here.[/quote']

 

I'm not on any high and mighty ANYTHING, I'm voicing my opinion about the way I see it. I'm not the one who threw the first condecending remark and I didnt single anybody out, you decided to take offence (or something!) to my comment and fire back, I'm answering you. So no, I'm not on any high and mighty pedestal, but if you want to deny the double standard that is prevelant in this case, then I think thats crazy, because its blatant, IMO.

 

:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

 

Told.

 

Or not.

 

I don't think people would have been that bothered Beltmark' date=' I mean I think everybody understands that the character would have had to go, so like Dra said it wouldnt have mattered how they had done it. If it was Hogan I think people might even have preferred it to be honest, at least it would make more sense. Of course you'd get the usual people who'd just shout "OMG HOGAN IS TEH BAD" but they would be in the minority in my opinion.[/quote']

 

I would like to agree, but I cant. There is no way I can imagine Hogan getting away with being the man to 'destroy' Hassan. Not on TWO anyways, he gets slated for 99% of the things he does, even the smallest detail. ****, I was reading a thread not too long ago where he was slated for being bald! FOR BEING BALD! :roll :lol My God.

[Guest Jung]

Not to start anything. But belty when did anybody mention Hogan?

 

I believe you did from nothing. I think everyone agrees if Hogan did what Taker did last night, we'd all be in agreement that it was the right thing, cause Hassan had to go.

 

What the hell does Hogan have to do with anything?