Hogan vs. Austin: Million Dollar question here? WHY?

[Guest The Franchise]

Its bad enough that the WWE tried to sell Hulk Hogan beating HBK cleanly at Summerslam,(Which IMO was a total sham) but how much you bet that Hulk Hogan will end up beating Stone Cold in a match come next year? Hogan indeed is a icon in pro wrestling. No doubt about it. But guys like Austin and HBK took the WWE to heights even Hogan couldnt imagine.

 

Why would anyone even want to see this match? I know I dont. If this match could've happen say about 4-5 years ago then I would've said "Oh HELL YEAH!!!" But now its basically what HBK vs. Hogan was:A waste of time. Here we have these old vets taking the spotlight away from the new generation of wrestlers trying to become famous.

 

So why should wrestlings current elite have to job to a 51 year old washed up Hogan? I think its totally wrong! HBK came back after a long layoff and has once again recaptured his championship swagger inside the ring. And yet HBK still produces some of the best matches to this day. His match with Angle last night was the best part out of the entire 3 hour show on USA last night.

 

 

Since Hogan mentioned he wanted to face Austin in the future last night during his interview

 

 

There is no damn way that the wrestling world IMO is going to believe that Hogan will beat Austin 1-2-3 like he did HBK. We all know thats a bunch of bantha fodder. But the stench IMO will be even worse when the WWE allows Hogan to get one over on Austin. Makes me wonder who is truly the biggest anal egomaniac when it comes to screwing people behind the scenes:Hogan or HHH? Take your pick.

 

I hope whenever this craptacular match does happen that Austin stuns the holy hell out of Hogan and pin him 1-2-3. But we all know that when it comes to doing the right thing the WWE does the opposite.

 

I pick Austin to win. What about you guys?

Edited October 4, 2005 by The Franchise

[Guest Dave7g]

I cant say im looking forward to this match at all. It will be a boring brawl. Austin wont be jumping around like a rubber ball like HBK selling Hogans "offense", turning it into a really pointless match. 10 years ago it would have been great, its too late in the day for this now.

[Guest Edgehead]

I believe this match will happen at WM22 although it won't have the impact it would have had several years ago.

 

I'll probably be rooting for Austin to win but I don't really care either way as both Austin and Hogan are in the twilight of their careers. I just plan to sit back and enjoy the show without getting worked up over "who goes over"

[Guest MrFill]

The biggest problem is that neither man can bump.

 

Austin has a messed up neck, so he can't fall backwards, and probably can't take a hard legdrop.

Hogan has a new hip, so he can't move really easily.

 

It'll be a punchy/kicky match with nothing more than a couple of "spots" to pop the crowd, like a Stunner and a Leg Drop.

 

I can't say I'm looking forwards to this match at all.

[Guest Al Stevens]

I would say that i am really looking forward to this match. However there is two main problems

 

Question 1:

 

Will hogan actually do the J.O.B to Austin cause lets have a look at some of the people who actually helped and carried the WWE in the late 1990

 

Rock - Beaten

 

Triple H - Beaten

 

Shawn Micheals - Beaten

 

is everyone starting to see a patten here, Hogan is unlikely to pass the Tourch to a WWE superstar of the now because he still believes that he should be "The top guy" as Paul Hayman qouted on the Rise and fall of ECW.

 

Second Question:

 

Would people who have grown up watching Austin expect a simple Leg drop to keep him down. Face it Austin has had tombstone piledriver and carried on (ok with a injuried neck). Yes the leg drop gets the casual and hogan marks to pop however i believe that the real fans (not smarks or net geeks) has seen that the world of wrestling change and those fans will not and probally would hate to see a move which is used as a normal move beat a man who has literally broke his neck for the industy

[Guest The Beltster]

Its bad enough that the WWE tried to sell Hulk Hogan beating HBK cleanly at Summerslam' date='(Which IMO was a total sham)[/quote']Dont talk such rubbish! How is it a total sham for Hulk Hogan to beat HBK?! PLEASE! Hulk Hogan, the biggest star ever and still HUGE, vs HBK, skinny little wimpy looking guy, nowhere even close to the biggest star ever...HBK beating Hogan wouldnt have been believable, at all. At all.

 

but how much you bet that Hulk Hogan will end up beating Stone Cold in a match come next year? Hogan indeed is a icon in pro wrestling. No doubt about it.

How do you know that? Your making assumptions. Who says Austin will agree to lay down to Hogan? Who says it wont be a non finish? It could be any number of things.

 

But guys like Austin and HBK took the WWE to heights even Hogan couldnt imagine.

Arent you forgetting who laid down the foundation to allow Austin to do what he did? And hold up right here...HBK took the WWF to heights Hogan couldnt have ever imagined? LMAO! Pardon me while I laugh my ass off! Are you serious? HBK didnt every do jack **** for the WWF compared to what Hogan did, HBK was one of the lowest drawing WWF champions EVER alongside Bret Hart and Diesel!

 

Why would anyone even want to see this match? I know I dont. If this match could've happen say about 4-5 years ago then I would've said "Oh HELL YEAH!!!"

I'm sure alot of people will want to see this match happen, much like 600,000 people wanted to see Hogan vs HBK and 820,000 wanted to see Hogan vs Rock. Dream matches sell because people want to see them.

 

But now its basically what HBK vs. Hogan was:A waste of time. Here we have these old vets taking the spotlight away from the new generation of wrestlers trying to become famous.

How was Hogan vs HBK a waste of time? Maybe you personally didnt like it, but it certainly was not a waste of time. A great match, providing awesome moments and 600,000 people paying to see it...that doesnt sound like a waste of time to me. Oh, and the right man won.

 

As for Hogan vs Austin taking the spotlight away, who is to blame for that? I'll tell you, its not Hogan or Austin, its the new breed of green-as-grass workers who are clueless and not ready and who have no idea how to get themselves over, and the creative department for not helping them. Blaming Hogan and Austin for being over is rediculous.

 

So why should wrestlings current elite have to job to a 51 year old washed up Hogan? I think its totally wrong!

Steve Austin and HBK are wrestlings current elite? Could have fooled me. Austin is a broken down guy who hasnt wrestled in over 2 years and HBK is a veteran who has lost to pretty much everybody from Batista to Orton to Angle over the past few years.

 

HBK came back after a long layoff and has once again recaptured his championship swagger inside the ring. And yet HBK still produces some of the best matches to this day. His match with Angle last night was the best part out of the entire 3 hour show on USA last night.

Makes no difference, wrestling is all about perception, and Hogan is percieved as the biggest star ever, its not hard to believe, especially with him still looking the way he does, that he can beat people 1-2-3.

 

There is no damn way that the wrestling world IMO is going to believe that Hogan will beat Austin 1-2-3 like he did HBK. We all know thats a bunch of bantha fodder. But the stench IMO will be even worse when the WWE allows Hogan to get one over on Austin. Makes me wonder who is truly the biggest anal egomaniac when it comes to screwing people behind the scenes:Hogan or HHH? Take your pick.

No way the wrestling world is going to believe Hulk Hogan, who is much bigger and much stronger than Austin, can beat a guy with a f'd up neck and who hasnt worked in 3 years (by the time WM22 arrives)? I think your wrong, 100% wrong.

 

As for ego, Hogan, HHH, HBK and Jeff Jarrett have the biggest, but at least Hogan and HBK put people over when they should...HHH usually doesnt.

 

I hope whenever this craptacular match does happen that Austin stuns the holy hell out of Hogan and pin him 1-2-3. But we all know that when it comes to doing the right thing the WWE does the opposite.

So what your saying is that if the match doesnt go to YOUR PERSONAL liking, then WWE are doing the wrong thing? Get over yourself bro, please. Hogan is more over than Austin, face it. Lots more people will be wanting to see Hogan win than Austin, so in the majority of peoples eyes, a Hogan win IS the right thing. Sorry to disappoint you.

 

I pick Austin to win. What about you guys?

Too hard to pick a winner...I lean 51/49 in favour of Austin winning. Either way I dont care, I just want to enjoy the match, will be great.

[Guest The Beltster]

Will hogan actually do the J.O.B to Austin cause lets have a look at some of the people who actually helped and carried the WWE in the late 1990

 

Rock - Beaten

 

Triple H - Beaten

 

Shawn Micheals - Beaten

 

is everyone starting to see a patten here, Hogan is unlikely to pass the Tourch to a WWE superstar of the now because he still believes that he should be "The top guy" as Paul Hayman qouted on the Rise and fall of ECW.

Hogan never beat Rock, barring a throwaway tag match on RAW. Hogan lost clean to Rock at WMX8 and lost via pinfall to Rock at No Way Out 2003.

 

He beat HHH, but HHH got his win back in a singles match the next month. He beat HBK, agreed.

 

Second Question:

 

Would people who have grown up watching Austin expect a simple Leg drop to keep him down. Face it Austin has had tombstone piledriver and carried on (ok with a injuried neck). Yes the leg drop gets the casual and hogan marks to pop however i believe that the real fans (not smarks or net geeks) has seen that the world of wrestling change and those fans will not and probally would hate to see a move which is used as a normal move beat a man who has literally broke his neck for the industy

You ask if those who grew up watching Austin will expect a single legdrop to keep him down, but I ask will those who grew up watching Hogan expect a single legdrop to NOT keep Austin down? Six of one, half dozen of the other, its a two-way street.

[Guest Telf]

The 2 biggest draws in the history of sports entertainment going at it? AWESOME!...

 

Just not now. I, as many others do, have my concerns about how well this match will actually end up. Hogan vs HBK was booked extremely well in my opinion, I had no intention of watching it at first, but the development of the storyline drew me in. The match itself was a classic catch-as-catch-can bout that had it's moments. HBK's selling (almost over-selling) was fantastic and Hogan bleeding payed a huge part as well

 

WWE will absolutely no doubt promote this match as they did with HBK, even more so this time. But my concerns are with the end product

 

Belty, just a quick reply to the "HHH usually doesn't job" bit. No, you're right, he wins more than his fair share of matches, but within the over the space of just over a year he jobbed to Batista and Benoit. In Batista's case, making him look a helluva lot better than he really is (see any Big Dave match since Vengeance)

 

But jobbing and putting someone over are two completely different things. Hunter's put tons of people over, Mick Foley in late 99/early 2000 being an example. You don't have to job to put someone over. This is my argument when it comes to Hogan - yes he beat HBK at Summerslam and he will probably beat Austin if that match does ever happen, but him simply being in the ring with these guys seems to automatically put them over

Edited October 4, 2005 by Telf

[Guest Jack]

As for ego' date=' Hogan, HHH, HBK and Jeff Jarrett have the biggest, but at least Hogan and HBK put people over when they should...HHH usually doesnt.[/quote']

I'd disagree with that to be honest. I will admit Triple H had a period where he didn't job for too long, but when you look at the people he faced, I'm glad he didn't lose to them. Recently we've seen Triple H put over Shelton Benjmain very clean, which worke wonders for him. it's a shame the creative didn't capitalise on that. Without Triple H, Batista would still be midcard fodder, being nothing but a henchman. now, he is easily the WWE's second biggest star, closely behind Cena. On a smaller degree, look at Benoit. After his injury that kept him out for a while, he returned and was majorly over, then after a while, the fans couldn't care about him. Since he beat Triple H, he is now a star, which is something he had for only a few months before. Shame creative have ruined all that again, by not giving him another World Title feud.

That is just 3 recent feuds of his, when you look at his prime back in 2001, he made a lot more people look excellent.

 

Hogan however rarely put people over clean in his prime, but I'm not going to rant about that, as it was 100% the right thing to do. Characters like Hogan should be booked the way he was, and I have no complaints.

 

As for the initial topic, I couldn't disagree more with a lot of it. ChrisMa covered most of what I felt though. I will say though, if peiople wanted Hogan to win the match, which they did, then hogan should of won. I don't believe in all this "HBK is the better wrestler, and should win", or "Michaels is still a wrestler, and should of won" wtc. Whoever the fans want to win, is the right man to go over.

 

Hogan vs Austin? I'm going to love it. It's all about the spectacle, and thta is what it will offer. I'm not expecting a good match, but I will come out happy that the two biggest wrestling stars, will face each other.

 

Hulk Hogan vs 'Stone Cold' Steve Austin at WrestleMania

 

What more do you need?

[Guest the HiTman]

Cant be arsed to quote everyone so here goes...

 

Telf you say that Hogan v HBK was well booked...how is that?...it all felt a bit pointless, rushed and far too forced. HBK is nothing compared to Hogan and in my opinion it shouldnt have been booked as another Icon v Icon match.

 

Hogan v Rock made perfect sense as both were peoples champs. Hogan should have won this one as the ultimate peoples champ in my opinion.

 

Hogan v Austin also makes sense as both are the biggest draws of the last 2 boom periods. This one could go either way and I as an Austin fan wouldnt even mind if he lost because its Hogan we are talking about here!

 

Finally; could some of you who keep going on about Hogan being old and Austin being injured just think about what it actually means to have this match; its Legend against Legend..no matter how old they are or how injured they are it is the Legend in these guys that is in the ring.

It is VERY believable that the leg drop would keep Austin down, just as much as the Stunner would win it for Austin. We will see both in the match, but it will come down to which legend deserves the win more that matters. That is up to Hogan, Austin and the WWE to decide.

[Dead Crow]

Whoever the fans want to win' date=' is the right man to go over.[/quote']

In other words, the babyface should always go over.

 

Unfortunately, things don't (and shouldn't) always work that way.

[Guest The Beltster]

In other words, the babyface should always go over.

 

Unfortunately, things don't (and shouldn't) always work that way.

So your saying that fans only cheer for babyfaces and never the heels? I remember Rocky Miavia as THE clean cut babyface in 1997 getting booed out of the building vs heel Hunter Hearst Helmsley, the fans certainly didnt want the babyface to win that match.

 

Same with Bret Hart at WM13, he was the babyface going in, but it was obvious the fans wanted heel Steve Austin to prevail.

 

Again, 1991 Survivor Series, ALOT of fans wanted heel Undertaker to win the WWF title from babyface Hulk Hogan and when he did, they popped pretty good.

 

Just because the fans mark for them, doesnt mean they are the face.

[Guest MrFill]

Same with Bret Hart at WM13' date=' he was the babyface going in, but it was obvious the fans wanted heel Steve Austin to prevail. [/quote']

SCSA was never really a heel in that feud though, he's been anti-face for most of his career.

[Guest DOB]

*1st post. I'd love if austin kicked his wrinkly ass but hogan being the backstage jackass that he is i dont see it happening.

[Ryan]

DOB = Prime Example of someone who has no respect for a legend.

[Guest Edgehead]

So your saying that fans only cheer for babyfaces and never the heels? I remember Rocky Miavia as THE clean cut babyface in 1997 getting booed out of the building vs heel Hunter Hearst Helmsley' date=' the fans certainly didnt want the babyface to win that match.[/quote']

I think Draven's point was that it's a ridiculous notion for the fans favourite to go over every time, whether it be the heel or the face. As predictable as WWE is these days how pointless and predictable would it be if they just put the most popular guy over every time

[Guest DOB]

DOB = Prime Example of someone who has no respect for a legend.

 

Sorry, But i hate Hulk Hogan...with a passion.

[Guest Hatred]

The biggest problem is that neither man can bump.

 

Austin has a messed up neck, so he can't fall backwards, and probably can't take a hard legdrop.

Hogan has a new hip, so he can't move really easily.

 

It'll be a punchy/kicky match with nothing more than a couple of "spots" to pop the crowd, like a Stunner and a Leg Drop.

 

I can't say I'm looking forwards to this match at all.

 

Good point. Austins neck will be a set back, aswell as Hogans hip. If this match had taken place a few years back, then it would mean more, and would have been a joy to watch. But at the present time, nah.

[Guest Gooneronastick]

The original question in Hogan vs Austin.........WHY? Easy answers...........

 

1) It's the ultimate dream match (IMO)

2) It will draw big numbers which will make Vince money

3) WWE think that the majority of fans will want to see it.

 

Should it happen? Hell no, both guys while good in their prime can't work now through varying reasons. Will it happen? Most likely, especially if Vince thinks it will make money. And probably at WM 22.

[Guest Champy]

I would like to see the feud.. but with no hogan promos :D

 

it would draw for the WWE but i heard that Steve only wanted to wrestle if it was a good match which was cool..

 

the match would pass though.. and IMO Steve should win.. hogan had his win at summerslam.. it's steve's turn

[Ryan]

Sorry' date=' But i hate Hulk Hogan...with a passion.[/quote']

 

why? whats there to hate about him? he's a LEGEND and so what if he's still in big matches, more power to him.

[Guest Hatred]

why? whats there to hate about him? he's a LEGEND and so what if he's still in big matches' date=' more power to him.[/quote']

 

He doesnt like Hogan, okay? Just because you like him, doesnt mean everyone else should. Anyway, back on topic.

[Guest MrFill]

why? whats there to hate about him? he's a LEGEND and so what if he's still in big matches' date=' more power to him.[/quote']

It's his choice to like or hate him. Just like it's your choice to call wrestlers by their rean names. :)

[Guest DOB]

why? whats there to hate about him? he's a LEGEND and so what if he's still in big matches' date=' more power to him.[/quote']

 

I've never liked him. He has 2 or 3 moves e.g legdrop,backrake,punch.He is an asshole backstage and puts himself over as much as he can, he always wanted to be top dog in wcw and wouldn't allow new/young talent to be "top-guys",he had creative control over his contract in wcw and ruined that company.His comebacks are patethic and HBK should have won at summerslam after carrying hogan for the whole match.

[Guest Bluestiger99]

I agree with those who say not now. I don't care if it is an Icon vs Icon match, it still would be a hard match to wach. Neither of them can wrestler much anymore. While I can see where everyone who wants to see this is coming from, I have to say Hogan is in danger of ending up like Flair. He's making these come backs closer and closer, and eventually no one is going to care anymore.