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Great Debates Thread: NWA World Heavyweight Championship


Guest Laffy

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Taken from another forum that i am a member of: It is a series of questions asked to get debate going. Here is the first question.

 

So now I ask you, the NWA World Heavyweight Championship, a title that WCW claimed they could trace back to the beginning of the 20th century, but most give it legit World Title Status following World War 2. It has been the cornerstone of many companies throughout the years. It helped to give World title Status to WCW, ECW and TNA. It was the main title that weighed against the WWF of the 1980's in Jim Crockett's promotions. All that beign said, does this title carry any meaning anymore, or is it a dead title? If it's dead, when did it die? If it's not Dead, how meaningful is the title? More then any of the WWE championships?

 

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Guest The Beltster

The NWA title doesnt mean squat. It died when WCW pulled out of the NWA and was used as a glorified indy title for years, it was then spat on by ECW. It finally gained a little credibility back when TNA adopted it as their world title, but then they ditched it and again, now, it isnt worth a damn.

 

The NWA should have done anything in their power to keep the belt in TNA, instead they were greedy, TNA pulled it and now its not worth jack sh*t again.

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Guest Matthew J Stark

Personally I'm surprised that Vince didnt throw a ton of cash at the NWA when they severed ties with TNA, and replace the Big Gold with the NWA Wolrd Heavyweight Title, just so that they could properly claim the title's linegae. But then I surpose that could possibley confuse the casuals viewer, who would suddenly see the 'TNA' title on Smackdown.

 

As for whether its worth anything now... well, I've never heard of the new NWA World Heavyweight Champion. You'd think that the surposed most prestigous wrestling 'World' title would be put on someone that is know world-wide at least

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Guest The Great Ahmar

Adam Pearce is more well known than you give him credit for, most so in the US. Pearce is old-school to the bone, whether it be his robe, in-ring style or his promos. Plus if he keeps busting out the repo man mask from time to time he'll still get good face pops, although he can easily get heat.

 

To me I'd rather have someone who is capable in the ring, entertaining and an excellent promo man as the NWA Champ until Danielson gets the belt. The NWA will never get big again, no one really wants to be with them. ROH doesn't even recognise nor allow the NWA title on their shows, I don't know what the relationship with NJPW is now, I think the NWA's Japanese affiliate is the lord awful IGP or whatever Inoki's new fed is.

 

If a new fed comes in, I dunno like Hogan or Bischoff starts something then they may use the NWA.

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Guest The Franchise

Yeah right.

 

The NWA title doesnt mean squat. It died when WCW pulled out of the NWA and was used as a glorified indy title for years, it was then spat on by ECW. It finally gained a little credibility back when TNA adopted it as their world title, but then they ditched it and again, now, it isnt worth a damn.

 

The NWA should have done anything in their power to keep the belt in TNA, instead they were greedy, TNA pulled it and now its not worth jack sh*t again.

 

The NWA title was indeed THE world title to have back in the glory days of pro wrestling. Unlike the WWE title the NWA title was defended throughout the world. The NWA World title was defended in different federations all over the world from the Mid-Atlantic area to Japan.

 

The NWA title indeed died when WCW was born. In TNA the NWA title shined again,but once again like Beltmark said now its back to jack squat status.

 

But the NWA title indeed has a legacy that no other World title other than the IGWP title truly nothing short of amazing.:xyx

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But the NWA title indeed has a legacy that no other World title other than the IGWP title truly nothing short of amazing.:xyx
I disagree. Why is the IWGP's legacy anything special or anything bigger than the WWWF/WWF/WWE title, for example?

 

The IWGP title only means something in Japan, and as it stand now, its tarnished just like the NWA title, whereas the WWE title still is the most recognisable title in the business as we speak and has been since Hogan won it in January of 84.

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Guest Notorious JTB

he is only looking after the title untill danielson is back from injury.

 

if he didnt get injured he could be NWA and RoH world champion think of that!

 

on the NWA world title i still think it has to be most prestigious title since it is the oldest has has many big names hold it and is actually defended around the world or will be now TNA dont have it so it is the genuine world title in my opinion.

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Guest The Beltster
the NWA world title i still think it has to be most prestigious title since it is the oldest has has many big names hold it and is actually defended around the world or will be now TNA dont have it so it is the genuine world title in my opinion.
Whats so prestegious about being held by an organisation that cant draw 200 fans to 'world' title matches in armouries, highschool gyms and carparks?

 

The belt is no more important than any other indy fed title, it has a rich history, but thats all, history. Thats in the past, its gone.

 

The NWA title in 2007 isnt worth the price it cost to have the belt made.

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Guest John Hancock

Does anyone find this title really, really ugly? Also, what the hell is with the old school Canadian flag?

 

That alone is reason for it never to be used again.

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Guest The Franchise

Yeah right again.

 

Whats so prestegious about being held by an organisation that cant draw 200 fans to 'world' title matches in armouries, highschool gyms and carparks?

 

The belt is no more important than any other indy fed title, it has a rich history, but thats all, history. Thats in the past, its gone.

 

The NWA title in 2007 isnt worth the price it cost to have the belt made.

 

Once again you apparently dont know the legacy behind the NWA World title. That is why you dont understand Beltmark. The NWA has been around longer than any other federation in pro wrestling history. But then again you're pro-WWE anyway so you wouldnt have a clue anyway.:devil

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Guest The Franchise

Question Beltmark....

 

I disagree. Why is the IWGP's legacy anything special or anything bigger than the WWWF/WWF/WWE title, for example?

 

The IWGP title only means something in Japan, and as it stand now, its tarnished just like the NWA title, whereas the WWE title still is the most recognisable title in the business as we speak and has been since Hogan won it in January of 84.

 

When did Hogan ever go to another wrestling federation to defend the WWE title during his run as champion? :sml7:

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Once again you apparently dont know the legacy behind the NWA World title. That is why you dont understand Beltmark. The NWA has been around longer than any other federation in pro wrestling history. But then again you're pro-WWE anyway so you wouldnt have a clue anyway.:devil

 

Belty may be an old school WWF mark who I disagree with a vast majority of the time, but you saying he doesn't understand the legacy of the NWA title is one of the dumbest things I've seen on this site. You do this often. When someone doesn't agree with you you search for some way to discredit their opinion. When I said RVD wasn't one of the greatest champions of all time, nor one of the top 25 workers in the world right now, you made a huge deal out of me being 16 (at the time).

 

Belty is as deep into old school as anyone. Just because he thinks Hogan is the best doesn't mean he doesn't have a clue.

 

I think it'd be best of you to drop that nasty little habit.

 

As for the NWA Title, no, it doesn't mean much at all now. Wrestler's still like to get at as the history is amazing. Getting your name alongside the likes of Race and Funk etc.

 

However, I measure a title's importantance by a title change. How does the crowd react?

 

Well, when the WWE Title (RAW) and the ROH title (alongside with the IWGP and the GHC titles) change, the crowd go bonkers, and people immediatley go to debate as to whether or not this new champ is worthy enough to carry the banner.

 

NWA Title...who the hell cares?

 

Adam Pearce is amazing, and for a title so deeply intertwined with the territories, getting back onto the Indy's with the top guys around challenging for it is the best idea.

 

As for prestige?

 

No, not at all.

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Once again you apparently dont know the legacy behind the NWA World title.
Where does he say he doesn't value or understand the legacy the NWA World title had?

 

What Beltmark said was that the belt has no value in the present era.

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Guest Chriscare

I think its highly prestiegous and i think it was a big blow the TNA when replaced it with the TNA title. I mean even when they were rubbish, you could still look at them and think at least they have a credible title. Now all they have is the horrible looking TNA title.

 

With the NWA's history and the ammount of ledgends that have held it, it will always be a saught after piece of gold to hold. As a wrestler you want to hold a title that your hero as a child held, not one that some WWE Heat Jobber once had.

 

Oh and Spiral Tap, you lost your whole argument when you compared the ROH title to it, as if that has any prestiege what so ever its just a glorified leaving present for a glorified indy fed.

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Guest The Great Ahmar

Oh and Spiral Tap, you lost your whole argument when you compared the ROH title to it, as if that has any prestiege what so ever its just a glorified leaving present for a glorified indy fed.

 

The ROH title has been defended in Japan, England, Europe and I'm sure Mexico too, plus it doesn't change hands ever month or so and appears damn hard to win. It may not have as long as a legacy but it will do if ROH Continues to grow.

 

Anyway there will never be a NWA champion quite like Gus Sonnenberg

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Oh and Spiral Tap, you lost your whole argument when you compared the ROH title to it, as if that has any prestiege what so ever its just a glorified leaving present for a glorified indy fed.

 

I'm sorry, this is where you lose the plot. The ROH title is globally respected. ROH is globally respected.

 

And we ALL know Low Ki, Samoa Joe, Austin Aries, Bryan Danielson, Homicide, and Morishima all recieved the title as a leaving present....

 

Gibson is the only one who got it as a parting gift, respect for everything he had put in. Punk much the same, but it was as much for making the one of the greatest swerves of all time as it was giving him a pay off of his efforts.

 

This means you don't understand or respect ROH's global impact.

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Global Impact my arse, they have a small selection or smark fans, the title's being going what, 5 years, its had no one of any stature holding it, and i don't believe anyone in the business values it particularly high compared to that of the NWA title.
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Global Impact my arse, they have a small selection or smark fans, the title's being going what, 5 years, its had no one of any stature holding it, and i don't believe anyone in the business values it particularly high compared to that of the NWA title.

 

Let's see Adam Pearce go over Naomichi Marafuji or KENTA. Let's see him invited to Pro Westling NOAH, presented as a huge deal and as an equal to one of their biggest stars.

 

Yes, it's only been going for a little over five years. But in that short period they've had some of the most respected figures from across the globe come in and give them their stamp of apporval. Not valued highly? False.

 

And if a "small selection of smark fans" means enough to spur shows in the U.K., Japan, and an American PPV deal then yes, they have a small selection of "smark fans".

 

If you don't like ROH fine. But discrediting their success and respect is pretty impossible.

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Guest The Franchise
Where does he say he doesn't value or understand the legacy the NWA World title had?

 

What Beltmark said was that the belt has no value in the present era.

 

And I agreed with that statement that the belt now means nothing. I said in addition that judging by the way he talks about the NWA title of the past he truly doesnt know about the legacy that followed that belt.Thats what I was saying.

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Belty may be an old school WWF mark who I disagree with a vast majority of the time, but you saying he doesn't understand the legacy of the NWA title is one of the dumbest things I've seen on this site. You do this often. When someone doesn't agree with you you search for some way to discredit their opinion. When I said RVD wasn't one of the greatest champions of all time, nor one of the top 25 workers in the world right now, you made a huge deal out of me being 16 (at the time).

 

Belty is as deep into old school as anyone. Just because he thinks Hogan is the best doesn't mean he doesn't have a clue.

 

I think it'd be best of you to drop that nasty little habit.

 

As for the NWA Title, no, it doesn't mean much at all now. Wrestler's still like to get at as the history is amazing. Getting your name alongside the likes of Race and Funk etc.

 

However, I measure a title's importantance by a title change. How does the crowd react?

 

Well, when the WWE Title (RAW) and the ROH title (alongside with the IWGP and the GHC titles) change, the crowd go bonkers, and people immediatley go to debate as to whether or not this new champ is worthy enough to carry the banner.

 

NWA Title...who the hell cares?

 

Adam Pearce is amazing, and for a title so deeply intertwined with the territories, getting back onto the Indy's with the top guys around challenging for it is the best idea.

 

As for prestige?

 

No, not at all.

 

Uh-huh. I'd love to see just how old school Beltmark truly is.:devil

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