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Three high street stores have been caught selling 18-rated video games to youngsters, according to Which? magazine.

 

The consumer publication organised an undercover investigation, sending a 15-year-old girl to buy 18-rated games depicting sex and violence.

 

Woolworths, Game and Maplin all allowed the teenager to buy the adult games, while Tesco, Argos, Debenhams, HMV, Currys Digital and a local store refused.

 

Woolworths sold the youngster GTA: Vice City Stories, while Game sold Condemned 2. Maplin handed over Hitman, even though the girl told the store assistant that she was 15.

 

In a week when Boris Johnson voiced concerns over violent video games, condemnation of the stores' willingness to sell adult games to youngsters has been slammed by trading standards.

 

Ash Shah, assistant head of Brent and Harrow Council trading standards, told MCV: "Staff should realise that they have a moral and legal duty to stop these sales from taking place.

 

"There is a mixed but growing body of evidence that very violent games like this can sometimes influence underage players, with reports of anti-social behaviour linked to them [and] in extreme cases even fatalities."

 

Under current legislation, the maximum penalty for selling adult games to underage consumers is £5,000 and/or six months in prison.

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Guest ScottyB

I hope they get what they deserve.

 

 

Jimmy, couldn't you post all these news articles in one thread, because they clutter up the VG forum and really don't initiate any comments?

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Jimmy, couldn't you post all these news articles in one thread, because they clutter up the VG forum and really don't initiate any comments?

 

I could. But some of these news articles deserves there own thread. Im not trying to clutter up the VG forum either.

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Carries on from my age rated games thread not so long back, doesn't seem to matter what parents do kids get hold of these games. and the girl even told the staff she was only 15 how bad is that.

 

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I can remember a woman buying an 18 rated game for her son (who was stood next to her and blatently around 12 or 13) and the teller didn't bat an eyelid. It's not as if she did it discreetly, she put the game down, took the money from the boy (assuming it was birthday money or something similar) and paid for it then gave the game to him. They spoke the whole time, the boy telling his mum how much he couldn't wait to play it. Sickening.
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When i was like 18 or something i got asked for id when i bought Resident evil nemesis. The game was rated 15 and i was a little a taken back.

 

This really has not put anything into the whole conversation, but i thought that i'd share it with you.

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Guest Ruderz

Ive never really bothered with age limits, I knew of all the violence and sex and drugs and all that from a young age, and Ive never drank anything with alchohol, done any drugs, or had any sexual things with another girl.

 

Im clean, but there are others who arent, and I know that they do some of the stuff they of what they see in games, so I think that it is VERY wrong for it to happen, although I ll admit, I get really peeved off when I go to buy a game that lookms great, but cant because of age limit.

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Guest Al Stevens

However the thing is if the game has got a BBFC cert then by law the staff who did it and manager should be seriously done by the law. Personally i hope that the people that have been found out get whats coming to them.

 

Oh the only time i have ever been asked for ID was when i was loaning GTA3 from a shop.

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People seriously need to get over this age certificate thing because the simple truth of the matter is even if the parents don't buy the adult orientated game for their child the kid will just end up playing it anyway at a friends house etc...

 

Yes it's a problem but I've spoken to plenty of parents whose kids are not even 11 and have played the GTA games,it's all down to the parents' sense of judgement as to how easily influenced their child is or could be.

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People seriously need to get over this age certificate thing because the simple truth of the matter is even if the parents don't buy the adult orientated game for their child the kid will just end up playing it anyway at a friends house etc...

 

Yes it's a problem but I've spoken to plenty of parents whose kids are not even 11 and have played the GTA games,it's all down to the parents' sense of judgement as to how easily influenced their child is or could be.

The thing is MVP, this is not down to parental judement. The game has been rated 18 by the BBFC (rightly or wrongly) and, as such, it is against the law to sell it to a minor.

 

It's a matter of breaking the law.

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While I agree with the principle of MVP's post, as DC said, its illegal to sell it to kids. I mean, if a kid wants to smoke, they will get ciggerettes too, should they be allowed to buy them at age 11 just because they can steal them from their Mum's handbag?

 

Nah.

 

Law's are there for a reason, some good, some not so good...but there you go. You break them, you should get punished.

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I understand the law is in place for our own good but the people who put the age certificates on products don't take into account individuals,yes some kids are immature and are incapable of seperating the fiction from reality in a film,game or on a cd but there are plenty of kids who are mature beyond their years or simply just sensible so why should they miss out?
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I understand the law is in place for our own good but the people who put the age certificates on products don't take into account individuals,yes some kids are immature and are incapable of seperating the fiction from reality in a film,game or on a cd but there are plenty of kids who are mature beyond their years or simply just sensible so why should they miss out?
Thats simply how it is. Look, when you have kids, if your 12 year old son or daughter was playing GTA and being told to go f*ck themselves and having to steal drugs, shag hookers and all that crap, would you allow it, regardless of how 'mature' they were or not?
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I understand the law is in place for our own good but the people who put the age certificates on products don't take into account individuals,yes some kids are immature and are incapable of seperating the fiction from reality in a film,game or on a cd but there are plenty of kids who are mature beyond their years or simply just sensible so why should they miss out?
There are more in the former than in the latter, MVP, and there would be anarchy and lawsuits if you allowed some under-18s to watch a movie/buy a game, but not others.

 

How do you measure common-sense or maturity? And who's to say that the mature kid is how he is because he's been kept away from "unsuitable" material? An 18-rated game could be too much for him if he has been sheltered.

 

Also, you then have the problem of this 18-rated movie being ok for him, but another not being ok, so how do you work around that?

 

Then you move onto pornographic material. That is 18-rated, but do you feel that a mature 12yo shouldn't miss out because he's not as much of a dick as his peers?

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There are more in the former than in the latter, MVP, and there would be anarchy and lawsuits if you allowed some under-18s to watch a movie/buy a game, but not others.

 

How do you measure common-sense or maturity? And who's to say that the mature kid is how he is because he's been kept away from "unsuitable" material? An 18-rated game could be too much for him if he has been sheltered.

 

Also, you then have the problem of this 18-rated movie being ok for him, but another not being ok, so how do you work around that?

 

Then you move onto pornographic material. That is 18-rated, but do you feel that a mature 12yo shouldn't miss out because he's not as much of a dick as his peers?

 

I used to buy games rated mature for Joel before he was 17. I rented the games first to see just how bad they were and went from there. If I didn't think he could handle them then he didn't get them but their were a few that he did. A lot of the stuff on the games wasn't any worse than what he heard at a school. If there was a lot of pornographic material included the game stayed on the shelf and Joel went without.

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That's my point; you can't have a blanket ruling that 18-rated games can be sold to minors simply because some of them aren't that bad, because then the argument would reach to 18-rated movies (including porn). You wouldn't be able to create a double-standard like that due to both ratings coming from the same place (teh BBFC).
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