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TNA Hard Justice Discussion Thread - 10th August 2008


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What did you think of the TNA Hard Justice 2008 PPV?  

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Preview:

 

Venue:

The Sovereign Bank Arena - Trenton, New Jersey

 

TV Schedule:

USA: Sunday 10th August on PPV at 8e/5p - LIVE

UK: Wednesday 13th August on Bravo 2 at 9pm

 

TNA Hard Justice will be the fourth annual Hard Justice professional wrestling pay-per-view event produced by Total Nonstop Action Wrestling (TNA). It will take place on Sunday 10th August 2008 from the Sovereign Bank Arena in Trenton, New Jersey.

 

The Promotional Poster features TNA World Heavyweight Champion Samoa Joe and TNA World Tag Team Champions The Latin American Xchange

 

The main feud heading into Hard Justice is between Samoa Joe and Booker T, with the two fighting over the TNA World Heavyweight Championship.

 

At TNA Victory Road, Joe defended the TNA World Heavyweight Championship against Booker T, in Booker T's hometown of Houston, Texas. The match went to a no-contest, which meant Joe retained the TNA World Heavyweight Championship. During the match, Joe attacked security, referees, and Booker T without mercy. At one point, Sting entered the arena and tried to calm Joe down. Instead Joe gave Sting the middle finger and turned his back to continue to attack Booker T, who was bleeding from the forehead and laying on his back in the middle of the ring. Sting then hit Joe in the back with a baseball bat and allowed Booker T to get the cover while Booker T's wife (Sharmell) counted the pin, while referee Rudy Charles was unconscious. Booker T and Sharmell then left the arena with the TNA World Heavyweight Championship.

 

On the July 17th episode of TNA iMPACT, Management Director Jim Cornette demanded that Booker T give the TNA World Heavyweight Championship back to the real champion; Joe. Joe declined and told Booker to keep the belt until Hard Justice, though Joe was still recognized as the official champion. Cornette also said that at Hard Justice Joe will defend the TNA World Heavyweight Championship against Booker T to determine the true champion[/Quote]

 

Matches:

 

TNA World Heavyweight Championship Match:

Samoa Joe (Champion) Vs Booker T[/Quote]

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Guest Jayfunk
TNA WORLD HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPIONSHIP

SIX SIDES OF STEEL CAGE WEAPONS MATCH

"The Samoan Submission Machine" Samoa Joe vs. Booker T

 

LAST MAN STANDING MATCH

"The Phenomenal" AJ Styles vs. Kurt Angle

 

TNA WORLD TAG TEAM CHAMPIONSHIP MATCH

The Latin American Xchange vs. Beer Money

 

JERSEY STREET FIGHT

"The Instant Classic" Christian Cage & "The War Machine" Rhino vs. Team 3D

 

X DIVISION CHAMPIONSHIP MATCH

"Maple Leaf Muscle" Petey Williams vs. Consequences Creed

 

BLACK TIE BRAWL N' CHAIN MATCH

"Black Machismo" Jay Lethal vs. "The Guru" Sonjay Dutt

 

SIX-WOMAN KNOCKOUTS MATCH:

Taylor Wilde, Gail Kim & ODB vs. The Beautiful People & Awesome Kong

 

as it hasn't been posted yet and it's tonight here is the updated card.

 

good card a tad few gimmicks but i still think it will be a good watch

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I wonder if TNA realise that a street fight doesn't suddenly change or become fresh by simply sticking a town in the title......

 

They seem to do it quite a lot.

To be fair to TNA, almost every promotion has done that to get a cheap pop from the crowd (the original ECW, in particular, did it all the time).
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To be fair to TNA, almost every promotion has done that to get a cheap pop from the crowd (the original ECW, in particular, did it all the time).

 

That's fair enough - and I would have called any other company on it.

 

I understand cheap pops, wearing the local football teams top and all the rest of it.

But the 'advancing' of match gimmicks just seems a bit silly.

 

I dunno, there's now a three times as much chance (and let's be honest, that chance is already pretty high with TNA attenders) the fans will chant "This is awesome" as they'll be watching it and thinking "Hell, we're from New Jersey... and this match is ALL about New Jersey... Gud, we're awesome... so... this MATCH must be awesome ! ! YEAAAAH"

 

I just think it's silly, next time you'll be telling me that not liking Consequences Creed is mad...

 

Haha, no, that would be too far !

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I dunno, there's now a three times as much chance (and let's be honest, that chance is already pretty high with TNA attenders) the fans will chant "This is awesome" as they'll be watching it and thinking "Hell, we're from New Jersey... and this match is ALL about New Jersey... Gud, we're awesome... so... this MATCH must be awesome ! ! YEAAAAH"

 

I just think it's silly,

Personally, I think it's smart. You get the live crowd into the match before the bell has even sounded. You want the fans to be as active as possible, and the above scenario is perfect for that.
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Once again TNA demonstrates that one or two gimmick matches on a PPV is simply not enough....more is better!

 

sighs.......and they wonder why their buy rates are so rubbish.

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so angle jobbed to AJ again:clap

 

so much for the myth about home grown talent.

 

All I can say after that PPV is I really hope it means JJ is back. I'd start watching again

 

TNA needs JJ back but as a face or a heel

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Results?

 

edit:

 

From LordsofPain

 

Announcers Mike Tenay, Don West, Ring announcer Dave Penzer.

 

 

Video is shown of Sting entering the arena. Girl asks him whats going on and gets no answer. The terrible white rapper is now rapping about TNA. I'll get you another update when the wrestling starts, the macho man is better rapper than this guy to draw the picture of how bad he is. God awful its over. Big fireworks go off and they plug the card and the location New Jersey

 

Match #1 X DIVISION CHAMPIONSHIP MATCH

"Maple Leaf Muscle" Petey Williams vs. Consequences Creed

 

Creed is first to enter to a good pop from the crowd his Apollo Creed look is right on. Afro is medium sized. Petey enters next looking rather large, the crowd gives him medium sized heel heat. Referee is Slick Johnson bell rings. Petey goes for kick into a headlock and Creed takes him down to the mat. Lets go Petey and lets go Creed chants are dueling in the arena. Petey goes for the Canadian destroyer and is countered, Creed hits a nice press slam onto his knees on Williams, nice fast paced match, action spills to the outside, after Creed goes for a high risk move and hits his head stiff on the ring apron. Match has slowed considerably with both men exchanging offense. great back and forth action. Creed hits three stiff elbow shots to head of Williams and he hits a springboard face plant. Williams attempts Canadian detroyer again and is countered. Williams gets a crusifix for a 2 count, Creed gets a backslide for a 2 count, Creed hits stiff kick to the face, big counter by Williams into a Sharpshooter, Creed makes the escape to the ropes, dueling chants again. Exchange of chops draw woos from the crowd. Creed hits big offense hits 3dt, Petey kicks out at a close 2. Rhaka Khan enters the ring, Creed hits the Knockout blow on her and shes out, Petey attempts the Canadian destroyer is is countered yet again, Sheik Abdoul Bashir is out blasts creed with a steel chair, big Canadian Detroyer and PIN

 

Winner and Still Champion Petey Williams

 

Sheik in the ring tells Creed he was just told him he defated by the middle east.

 

Kevin Nash and Samoa Joe backstage Nash says trust me same stuff there been doing.

 

Match #2 SIX-WOMAN KNOCKOUTS MATCH

Taylor Wilde, Gail Kim & ODB vs. The Beautiful People & Awesome Kong.

 

Heels enter first wit the first two girls looking hot while Kong is looking rather awesome. Taylor Wilde leads the faces out. Gail Kim and Velvet sky start the match with Gail looking great. Taylor Wilde and Awesome Kong tanglin now with Taylor do all she can to take Kong Down. Tag to ODB Kong with a big shot and shes knocked down. Angelina Love.

 

Lost the Stream- Winners Taylor Wilde, Gail Kim & ODB

 

Team 3d funny bacstage segement looking up at the rafters asking for the black bat to come down, hinting the Brother Ray is afriad of the dark funny stuff.

 

 

Match #3 TNA WORLD TAG TEAM CHAMPIONSHIP MATCH

The Latin American Xchange vs. Beer Money

 

Beer Money enters first to little reaction from the crowd. Roode and Storm in the ring. LAX enters with Hector and Salinas and are rapped in by Filthy, Big Pop. Homicide is selling the injury with the glass table, LAX rushes the ring and the fight is on. Hernandez is in working over James Storm, tag to Homicide who does a baseball slide to the out onto both of Beer Money, then out of nowhere Hernandez flies over the top rope onto all three men, crowd chants that was awesome. James Storm does the beer spitting in the eyes move. More back and forth action. Homicide is isolated and getting worked over by both men, with Roode distracting the ref. Big back breaker on Homicide. more double teaming on Homicide, Storm puts his feet on the top rope and gives him a cool DDT. Rear Chin Lock rest hold. suplex by James Storm on Homicide. They continue the beat down on Homicide. Hot Tag to Hernandez who cleans house with clotheslines and power punches, he stacks Beer Money in the corner, more power moves attempted pin for a 2 count. Beer Money regains upper hand is nwo working over Hernandez, double clothesline. Homicide back in off the top with a drop kick. Storm with a top rope splash on Homicide for a 2 count. Hernandez big fallaway slam. Gringo cutter is hit on Storm. LAX argues which leads to Hernandez bording tossing Homicide clear out of the ring and onto Beer Money Incredible. Salias and Jackie are no brawling. Storm hits a big shot with a Beer bottle to Homicide Roode Pins him 1.2.3.

 

 

WINNERS AND NEW TNA TAG TEAM CHAMPIONS BEER MONEY INC.

 

They show Kevin Nash and Sting in the rafters talking, talking about the guys not knowing Nash is trying to convince Sting not to do it his way, Sting walks off.

 

 

Match #4 BLACK TIE BRAWL N' CHAIN MATCH

"Black Machismo" Jay Lethal vs. "The Guru" Sonjay Dutt

 

Sonjay Dutt enters first does his usual enternece. Jay Lethal comes out and does his Macho Man thing. Big Pop as he is from NJ SocalVal in Toe. Its a cross between an old school tuxedo match and a chain match, you can win by stripping you opponent or by pin fall or submission. Lethal knocks Dutt down and is hammering him in the head with the chain. Both men are hooked to the chain and the match begins. Back and forth punches, Lethal pulls one arm of Dutts suit off. Dutt tossed over the top followed by a cross body to the outside by Lethal. He continues to pummel Dutt on the outside with punches and whips him into the rail hard. They are tangled in the ring post with the chain. Lethal is hanging Dutt over the top rope and choking him with the chain. He lets go and both are back in the ring. Lethal tied in the tree of woe and dutt is stripping him clothes off all he has left is his pants. Dutt is beating up Lethal in front of his family in the crowd Val leaves to the back. Lethal whips dutt corner to corner a couple times with the chain big front face slam, 2 count, Guru with reverse suplex, crowd is chanting Fire Russo. really nice vertical suplex by Lethal. Lethal combination, climbs to the top big top rope elbow 1.2.3, Val is no where to be found.

 

 

Winner "Black Machismo" Jay Lethal

 

Booker T backstage segment, JB asks him what Sting is going to do, Booker calls him Jeremiah, says look around you i see nothing but crap and he will discuss it with his agent later, says Sting has issues with Joe and will take care of the personally. says he and Sting don't respect Joe and that he and Sting have paved the road and That Joe left alot of crap in the road and that Joe is an backyard independent worker. frigging great promo!!!

 

 

Match #5 NEW JERSEY STREET FIGHT

"The Instant Classic" Christian Cage & "The War Machine" Rhino vs. Team 3D

 

Team 3d Enters to a massive pop and fireworks. Rhino and Cage enter. Fast back and forth with Rhino and Brother Ray on the floor and Devon in the ring with Cage. huge backboad drop by Brother Ray on Cage. A pure brawl all over the place. Rhino and Devon now enter the crowd. they are way up the balconies fighting slamming each other in the wall. Rhino just rolled down the lower level. Crazy brawl with a ladder now coming into play. Out come the weapons tables ladders chairs signs all kinds of goodies. Got the old stop sign from the fans. Brother Ray hits every one with street sign. He is now looking for more weapons. Brings the stairs in the ring. Crowd is chanting for tables. rhino huge gore into a highway trashcan thing, christian off the top big move, 2 count. Nice top rope power bomb by Brother Ray on Cage, 2 count. 3D brings the tables into the ring to a huge pop. Rhino is slid a ladder and he uses it to take down 3D. Cage on top of ladder big frog splash, Rhino Gore in to the table. Johnny Devine comes in and starts the beat down on Rhino and Cage. In comes Abyss he destroys Devine and 3d

 

Winners "The Instant Classic" Christian Cage & "The War Machine" Rhino.

 

 

Match #5 LAST MAN STANDING MATCH

"The Phenomenal" AJ Styles vs. Kurt Angle

Sorry, Angle enters followed by Aj this is apparently a Last man standing match, the crowd starts with dueling chants, back and forth action with Aj having the upper hand right now. Chop by each guy, AJ whips angle to the outside then does the flip dive out of the ring and onto Angle. they are fighting out side of the ring with stiff shots to each others chests. Both men down on the floor, Angle posts AJ and is now dominating this match and he then whips AJ to the rail but AJ jumps into the crowd, then Angle catches him in mid air and slams him down. More outside Brawling back and forth Angle is bleeding from the head. Aj suplexes Angle on the ramp. 2 count. You need to be pinned before the 10 count starts. Kurt throws Aj off the ramp, then does a somersalt from the ramp to the floor, this match is awesome and the crowd is going crazy. Back in the ring overhead german suplex by Kurt Angle. Rest holds in the middle of the ring. AJ puts Angle in the rack. attemted Styles clash into Ankle lock AJ escapes and delivers a spin buster on Angle. Angle attempts the styles clash but AJ counters into the Ankle lock. Angle taps and recieves the ten count stops at 8. Aj big kick to the head. 2 count. top rope Angle Slam 3 count and now the ten count starts 7 and AJ is up, Angle slam again 3 count, ref starts counting again, up at 7 again. Goes for it a third time into a styles clash and 3 count ten count starts for Angle, Angle up at 9. Aj top rope DDT Angle lands hard on his neck, 3 count, both men down AJ gets up Angle doesnt.

 

WINNER AJ STYLES

 

Trainers and EMTs out neck brace on Angle, Styles comes back out and gives him a brainbuster. Lights are out Sting has AJ styles Scorpion deathdrop.

 

 

Main Event TNA Championship Samoa Joe v.s Booker T

Booker enters first with Sharmell and the Belt, fireworks. Samoa Joe enters hsi video package is from the new TNA Video game. Earl Hebner is the ref the cage is filled with weapons. Gonna be a short match only 17 minutes of TV time remaining. Match finally starts. joe is all over Booker hammer ing him with chops good back and forth Booker goes for a kendo stick shot and misses. Joe hits a trash can shot on Booker. More weapon use by both men, Joe smashes Booker in the head three times with trash can lids. Booker big spin kick into chair hitting Joe in the face. Booker slams Joe's head into the lid of the trash can busting him open. both men are down in the ring. Joe up three big right hands to Booker then he whips him into the cage. Booker hits super kick into a trashcan lid into Joe's face, 2 count. Joe hits a powerbomb into an stf then into a crippler crossface, ref is asking Booker if he gives up. Joe stacks two chairs in the middle of the ring attempts muscle buster Booker counters with a bug kick to the head, he tries again, Booker escapes again, into a Bookend on the chairs 2 count. AXE kick by Booker Lights are out, Lights back on Joe has a Guitar cracks Booker with it 1,2,3.

 

WINNER SAMOA JOE

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Guest DarkMatchJobber
so angle jobbed to AJ again:clap

 

so much for the myth about home grown talent.

 

 

 

TNA needs JJ back but as a face or a heel

 

I think it's funny that many TNA fans consider the likes of AJ Styles and Samoa Joe to be homegrown talents when they were already well known in wrestling circles through working for Ring Of Honor.

 

Your point about Jeff Jarrett seems a bit pointless...of course he's going to be a face or a heel :lol

 

Personally I'd rather see him return as a heel and take the belt off of the whinging champion Samoa Joe.

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I think he was asking as a face or heel?

 

Styles really made a name for himself in TNA rather than RoH. He's considered a homegrown talent due to him being with the company since day one, and being nurtured through their ranks to one of the top guys.

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Guest Jimmy Redman
Styles really is a TNA talent, but more to the point, Styles being jobbed out every single week on TV for about two months, then winning the match on PPV and still being beat up by someone else to finish, doesnt completely fit my description of being 'put over'.
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Styles really is a TNA talent, but more to the point, Styles being jobbed out every single week on TV for about two months, then winning the match on PPV and still being beat up by someone else to finish, doesnt completely fit my description of being 'put over'.

 

its called building heat for the babyface to beat the "bad" guy

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so angle jobbed to AJ again:clap

 

so much for the myth about home grown talent.

It was one match. More than that, it was one match where the babyface had been hammered and left laying for weeks on end (and lost a lot of matches to his heel opponent along the way). It makes sense that he would eventually get his big victory.

 

"So, Angle jobbed to AJ again" is your counter-point? How many times has AJ jobbed to Angle over the fued? Doesn't that make the point null-and-void?

 

Do you honestly believe that TNA don't have a deserved reputation for pushing non-homegrown talent over their own wrestlers? Robert Roode even did a semi-worked shoot about it when Booker T arrived in the company.

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Do you honestly believe that TNA don't have a deserved reputation for pushing non-homegrown talent over their own wrestlers? Robert Roode even did a semi-worked shoot about it when Booker T arrived in the company.

 

no, but it isn't as bad as people make out it is

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Guest Jayfunk
:lol

 

You said that it was a myth (thus it doesn't actually exist). So are you now saying your opinion was wrong and that it does exist?

 

no its a myth that TNA only puts over ex WWE talent. as if you have actually watch when they get big talent in such as cage, angle and booker they work with homegrown talent before they work a world title program

 

Cage - brown

Angle - Joe

Booker - roode

 

They gave them the rub, now sometimes it doesn't work like in browns case but it not like they don't try

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Guest Jimmy Redman
no its a myth that TNA only puts over ex WWE talent. as if you have actually watch when they get big talent in such as cage, angle and booker they work with homegrown talent before they work a world title program

 

So you're saying they job home-grown talent to WWE talent the minute they walk in the door, before they're then given a world title, and that proves your point?

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