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This has been moved from the general discussion thread as it could be a pretty interesting discussion if expanded.

 

Back from the Stewart Lee gig. Was pretty awesome, as expected. He took the piss out of Michael McIntyre and Frankie Boyle for being shit, had a go at Richard Hammond for being a coward, and came out into the crowd to shout the end of the set. Post-show, he went to the back of the venue amd I managed to meet him and talk briefly about Richard Herring and his young fanbase as he signed my ticket and DVD and thanked me for supporting him for so long. Pretty awesome feeling, and super nice guy.

 

What did he say to make fun of them? Because they're 2 of my favourite comedians at the moment. Especially Michael McIntyre, he's hilarious.

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What did he say to make fun of them? Because they're 2 of my favourite comedians at the moment. Especially Michael McIntyre, he's hilarious.

 

On Michael McIntyre: "This is the only bit of observational comedy in the whole routine. This is my Michael McIntyre bit. I can run around if you want... and act like a tw*t."

 

On Frankie Boyle: He did a whole bit on Frankie Boyle's quote that comedians over 40 aren't funny because they're not angry anymore, and then sarcastically discussed how he admires the youthful anger in the 37 year old Boyle and how angry he was over the Queen's vagina being so old that it was haunted (and pointing out how things aren't haunted purely on age, but usually because a tragedy or death occured there- effectively making Boyle's controversial but generally unfunny line actually funny).

 

I loved it, because I hate both of them. Especially the lazy and shit McIntyre.

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On Michael McIntyre: "This is the only bit of observational comedy in the whole routine. This is my Michael McIntyre bit. I can run around if you want... and act like a tw*t."

 

On Frankie Boyle: He did a whole bit on Frankie Boyle's quote that comedians over 40 aren't funny because they're not angry anymore, and then sarcastically discussed how he admires the youthful anger in the 37 year old Boyle and how angry he was over the Queen's vagina being so old that it was haunted (and pointing out how things aren't haunted purely on age, but usually because a tragedy or death occured there- effectively making Boyle's controversial but generally unfunny line actually funny).

 

I loved it, because I hate both of them. Especially the lazy and shit McIntyre.

 

:lol I wonder if Stewart Lee cries himself to sleep knowing that he'll never be as well known, or funny, as Mcintyre. Lee is so far up his own arse it's funny, and then it stops.

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:lol I wonder if Stewart Lee cries himself to sleep knowing that he'll never be as well known, or funny, as Mcintyre. Lee is so far up his own arse it's funny, and then it stops.

 

Why's he up his own arse because he thinks McIntyre is crap?

 

I like both, but a retarded donkey could see McIntyre's act, while entertaining, is based around obvious observational comedy, making funny voices and shaking his head a lot. Its pretty much Girls Aloud version of comedy. Comedy for the masses if you will. Nothing intelligent, everything blatant, no need for thinking. Not saying there is anything wrong with that, but it's supposed to be like that, accessible.

 

Lee, and I'm sure Mitch can answer this better, has always been considered an alternative comedian where his act his based around far more complex set-ups, makes you think more and has far more depth and lasting impact than anything McIntyre. Not saying anything's better than anything else, it's down to opinion.

 

But Lee certainly isn't up his own arse, he just seemingly likes to point out the hypocrisy and simplicity of some people's acts and routines. Considering people he's a fan of (I believe he's a big fan of Daniel Kitson who's brilliant at telling a story or getting in depth, Mitch probably knows more than I do) it's not difficult to see why he probably doesn't consider McIntyre a particularly great comic.

 

But McIntyre's comedy for the masses, it's not intelligent or creative, it's the same routine you used to see on New Faces in the 70's. Lee's is alternative. So at least be mildly more constructive than saying "McIntyre's God, how dare that crap Lee insult him". But hey I'd rather be in The Pixies than in Bros and I imagine Lee would rather be considered a fantastic stand-up, rather than a potential guest host of Paul O'Grady's show.

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Why's he up his own arse because he thinks McIntyre is crap?

 

I like both, but a retarded donkey could see McIntyre's act, while entertaining, is based around obvious observational comedy, making funny voices and shaking his head a lot. Its pretty much Girls Aloud version of comedy. Comedy for the masses if you will. Nothing intelligent, everything blatant, no need for thinking. Not saying there is anything wrong with that, but it's supposed to be like that, accessible.

 

Lee, and I'm sure Mitch can answer this better, has always been considered an alternative comedian where his act his based around far more complex set-ups, makes you think more and has far more depth and lasting impact than anything McIntyre. Not saying anything's better than anything else, it's down to opinion.

 

But Lee certainly isn't up his own arse, he just seemingly likes to point out the hypocrisy and simplicity of some people's acts and routines. Considering people he's a fan of (I believe he's a big fan of Daniel Kitson who's brilliant at telling a story or getting in depth, Mitch probably knows more than I do) it's not difficult to see why he probably doesn't consider McIntyre a particularly great comic.

 

But McIntyre's comedy for the masses, it's not intelligent or creative, it's the same routine you used to see on New Faces in the 70's. Lee's is alternative. So at least be mildly more constructive than saying "McIntyre's God, how dare that crap Lee insult him". But hey I'd rather be in The Pixies than in Bros and I imagine Lee would rather be considered a fantastic stand-up, rather than a potential guest host of Paul O'Grady's show.

 

Yeah, pretty much exactly all this. I'd argue until the cows come home that Michael McIntyre is the second worst comedian of all time (Andy Parsons still tours, right?) and that Stewart is funnier than him purely by facial expressions alone than anything in his act (which is incredible and very thought-provoking). Stew's an alternative comedian that many of the mainstream acts steal from. Jimmy Carr likes him. Ricky Gervais and Tim Minchin both love him. BBC basically told him to just do a show on BBC Two without even having to film a pilot. He's considered by most in the industry as the best comedian in the country, and the fact that he's "less well-known" is the stupidest argument because the level of recognition doesn't equal the level of talent - don't John and Edward prove that?

 

McIntyre is considered lazy by most people in comedy. He's like Peter Kay - it's the laziest and easiest batch of gags for the lowest common denominator of audience, saved by the "wacky" delivery that actually turns me off from him more than anything he says. Without being uppity about it, you have to be quite bright to understand Stewart's stand-up. It's extremely complex - use of repetition, contrast of voice volume for certain bits, use of pauses and call-backs and deconstruction of comedy shortcuts such as the pull-back-and-reveal (...and then I got off the bus, ahh!), and really, he's been doing it so long that he really is the master of it. He's been around a lot longer, and will be around a hell of a lot longer than McIntyre will be. Much like others in that vein, such as Richard Herring and

(who is also considered one of the best comedians in the country, again especially by those within the industry).

 

I really don't think Lee gives a flying toss about how successful McIntyre is. He's making fun of him in a single line for being a lazy tw*t because McIntyre is, in fact, a lazy tw*t. He never aspired to be as unfunny as McIntyre because he has no interest in selling out his style of comedy to please the idiot mainstream fans who lap up the furious stream of shit fed to them. He got into comedy via Ted Chippington, who subverted the idea of comedy on a fair scale in the 1980s, and Stewart continues that tradition to this day.

 

Which is why I love him. He's smart, he's thought-provoking, he's a rare liberal comedian who puts thought into being polite and inoffensive unless it's to prove an actual point about something (or to make fun of something stupid, like Michael McIntyre).

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Michael McIntyre is the Eton college of humour, thinks it's better than the rest, I always think that McIntyre is always "Ha ha, look at me mom, aren't I funny?"

 

He'd probably cry if faced with a decent comedien.

 

baddabing!

 

Sounded like her modus operandi!

 

Soz bud! I haven't sent her a lurid voicemail in a while, so I guess it's all my fault!

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Except it is Swine-origin H1N1......It's not Avian-origin H1N1 is it?

 

I was pointing out that "swine flu" isn't the only or the correct term. So, Jay saying that we call it swine flu over here, is incorrect and wasn't needed. It seemed to me like he was having a dig saying that everyone should call it swine flu, because we do over here...Which is a lie.

But we do call it swine-flu over here. More people in the UK refer to it as swine-flu than anything else, so I'm puzzled as to why you're saying we don't call it that in the UK.
Yeah, pretty much exactly all this. I'd argue until the cows come home that Michael McIntyre is the second worst comedian of all time (Andy Parsons still tours, right?) and that Stewart is funnier than him purely by facial expressions alone than anything in his act (which is incredible and very thought-provoking). Stew's an alternative comedian that many of the mainstream acts steal from. Jimmy Carr likes him. Ricky Gervais and Tim Minchin both love him. BBC basically told him to just do a show on BBC Two without even having to film a pilot. He's considered by most in the industry as the best comedian in the country, and the fact that he's "less well-known" is the stupidest argument because the level of recognition doesn't equal the level of talent - don't John and Edward prove that?

 

McIntyre is considered lazy by most people in comedy. He's like Peter Kay - it's the laziest and easiest batch of gags for the lowest common denominator of audience, saved by the "wacky" delivery that actually turns me off from him more than anything he says. Without being uppity about it, you have to be quite bright to understand Stewart's stand-up. It's extremely complex - use of repetition, contrast of voice volume for certain bits, use of pauses and call-backs and deconstruction of comedy shortcuts such as the pull-back-and-reveal (...and then I got off the bus, ahh!), and really, he's been doing it so long that he really is the master of it. He's been around a lot longer, and will be around a hell of a lot longer than McIntyre will be. Much like others in that vein, such as Richard Herring and

(who is also considered one of the best comedians in the country, again especially by those within the industry).

 

I really don't think Lee gives a flying toss about how successful McIntyre is. He's making fun of him in a single line for being a lazy tw*t because McIntyre is, in fact, a lazy tw*t. He never aspired to be as unfunny as McIntyre because he has no interest in selling out his style of comedy to please the idiot mainstream fans who lap up the furious stream of shit fed to them. He got into comedy via Ted Chippington, who subverted the idea of comedy on a fair scale in the 1980s, and Stewart continues that tradition to this day.

 

Which is why I love him. He's smart, he's thought-provoking, he's a rare liberal comedian who puts thought into being polite and inoffensive unless it's to prove an actual point about something (or to make fun of something stupid, like Michael McIntyre).

But all of that doesn't make it wrong for someone to like Michael McIntyre. And what about people who are fans of both?
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But all of that doesn't make it wrong for someone to like Michael McIntyre. And what about people who are fans of both?

 

As I said, I like both. But McIntyre, to me, is kind of like buying an Abba album. 9 times out of 10 you'll buy the best of. He's got all the stuff you're familiar with, pushes the right buttons, easy listen. Where as Lee is the album band. You can't sum him up with a best of album cause it just wouldn't work. You buy each album/DVD cause it's different, showcases different aspects and progresses.

 

I don't really think Mitch said there is anything wrong with liking McIntyre. Mainstream comedy will always be within a certain bracket, have to talk about certain things or certain people in a certain way. And it gets lapped up. Nothing wrong with liking McIntyre, but he's certainly not the creative pinnacle of comedy. He's harmless fun, which is pretty much a mainstream comic. He won't win awards but he'll be a guest on Alan Titchmarsh's show.

 

I like McIntyre, but a bit like Kay, some his stuff is just lazy pointing out something obvious, saying it's weird and then milking it for 5 minutes by repeating what you've just said in a funny voice or paraphrasing a couple having a conversation about the fact something obvious is weird.

 

But yeah nothing wrong with liking either, it's pop music and alternative rock, can easily like both.

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But all of that doesn't make it wrong for someone to like Michael McIntyre. And what about people who are fans of both?

 

Jung keeps beating me to it (that's what she said!), so all I can add is that, except for my blind hatred of Michael McIntyre, there is nothing particularly wrong with finding anyone funny (except Andy Parsons, as it's actually against the law of physics). They're just two completely different types of comedian and I doubt one worries about the other as they're both enjoying some real success right now in their respective areas. The only reasons Lee would make fun of McIntyre are a) he doesn't like him which is perfectly understandable, and b) his audience, for the most part, don't like him either. McIntyre could turn it around on Lee but it would only confuse half of his audience, whereas McIntyre is pretty much easy fodder for most comedians to dislike right now (S.Lee, Vic and Bob, Jerry Sadowitz, Rufus Hound, Michael Legge, Kevin Bishop) (and really, if Kevin Bishop can say that you're not very good, maybe it's time to start thinking about a new occupation).

 

The idea that McIntyre's success is a measure of him being *better* than Lee is pretty ridiculous though. On one hand, McIntyre is a mainstream BBC One act whilst Lee struggles to get two million to watch his BBC Two show and plays to far less people. On the other, McIntyre's a two-year flash in the pan who will be forgotten about in about three years and replaced by the next observational "amalgamation of Lee Evans' movements and Peter Kay's 'whats that all about' comedy" mainstream act, whilst Lee has been one of the most loved less-mainstream acts for around 20 years now, without selling out his own personal principles (not that McIntyre has, but it's more visible in Lee's career).

 

But they're both perfect fine in their own worlds of comedy. It's just that one of those worlds is shit ;)

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I'm not a massive fan of Stewart Lee but it's pretty much an undeniable fact that he's highly original and clever in his material. McIntyre does what he does and people enjoy it, it certainly isn't highbrow by any means but if everyone did that kind of comedy then the world would be a boring place. Personally I love Bill Bailey but I've heard people say he's just doing to same "bit" with his music over and over again. Not everyone is ever going to be universally popular.

 

Frankie Boyle makes me laugh but I don't know if I'd pay to see him do stand up. He kind of works best as the foil in Mock the Week because his statements seem even more OTT compared to the general level of comments you get on the show.

 

I will say something that I do hate and that's people who say the best stand up ever is Bill Hicks because they've read it somewhere or heard that loads of comedians say that he's their favourite.

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Frankie Boyle, I love - but his live DVD was very disappointing. It was more a greatest hits compilation from Mock The Week rather than all new stuff. I do like Stewart Lee, and I tolerate Michael McIntyre. Found him really funny at first but he just becomes annoying after a while.

 

Dylan Moran is my personal favourite stand-up - followed closely by Ed Byrne and Dara O'Briain.

 

I would rather pull my own fingernails out than listen to a full show by Andy Parsons... some of his stuff on MTW is funny but his voice and delivery would make me ill over the course of a whole show.

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I generally love stand-up comedy and can enjoy a wide range of comedians, but I'd say just pipping the list as my favourite, past or present, is Ross Noble, followed close behind by Bill Bailey, Robin Williams, Bill Hicks, Steve Martin, George Carlin, Tim Allen, Eddie Murphy, Richard Pryor, Chris Rock, Eddie Izzard, Billy Connolly, Frank Skinner, Ben Elton, Dave Gorman, Johnny Vegas, Dara O'Brien, Michael McIntyre, Katt Williams, Steven Wright and Rich Hall.

 

Now, some of them, I didn't watch until long after their prime years had passed (Pryor, Carlin, Murphy, Williams, etc), while others I've been watching for a long time (Elton, Connolly, Skinner, etc).

 

I only heard about Katt Williams from GTA IV, but liked what he had on there and hunted down some more of his stuff and Bill Hicks was another who I first listened to after he was finished... or, in his case, dead. There's a range of different comedians and styles on there, but I'm generally happy if the stand-up can make me laugh. If that comes from brilliantly observed and constructed tales (Bill Hicks talking about being challenged outside by Christians, for example) or from simple nostalgia trips about things we used to do/hear/say/watch/eat, then so be it. So long as it makes me laugh, that's all I care about.

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Its quite strange when you see someone on a panel show or their own TV show and then by their stand up and it's not what you expected.

 

Frankie Boyle can be very funny at time on MTW, albeit too many of his jokes his "it's like crossing a xxx with a xxx". But if you watch MTW, it's pointless watching his stand-up cause you've heard every joke. Will be interesting to see what MTW is like without him.

 

My fave on MTW, I think has a really good act and that's Dara. Just good on his feet, doesn't have to rely so closely on material, can easily interact with the crowd, which a top comic should be. Was also impressed with Russell Howard's DVD, much better and a bit different to his MTW stuff.

 

I liked Peter Kay, so bought Paddy McGuinness' DVD. Unbelievably bad. Makes Andy Parsons look like Richard Pryor. The Mitchell and Webb live DVD is also really disappointing, just doesn't translate to the stage.

 

But I love stand up, and like anything in the entertainment world, different people for different moods. My personal faves though are Lee Mack (his DVD is very good fun), Stewart Lee (his story about Joe Pasquale stealing a joke, might be my favourite routine, that or the Princess Diana death one), Al Murray, Steve Coogan, Dave Chappelle. I'm also fond of Omid Djalili, Rob Brydon, Ed Byrne, Daniel Kitson (Spencer in Phoenix Nights if you're curious), Jason Manford, Dara, Gervais, Lee Evans.

 

While I like Kay, McIntyre etc I can't watch too much of them, or else it gets tedious real fast. Hour at most and then I'm bored.

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I went to see McIntyre live in September, and the best part of the show was easily the part where some guy tried (very badly) to heckle McIntyre and McIntyre just embarrassed the guy, it was highly improvisational and highly entertaining, it was a step from the de-ja-vu feeling the rest of the show had (in a sense of despite the material being new, it felt exactly like the rest of the times I'd seen him perform)
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I'm fairly stuck-up when it comes to comedy, in that I love the people who tell stories and make you think, like S.Lee, Richard Herring, Daniel Kitson, and even Ricky Gervais to a degree. The reason is that a) I like the talking, and b) I like the feel of spontaneity about it. I think Jimmy Carr is great at what he does, but it's so wooden and the best bits are usually the bits where he heckles the audience. Frankie Boyle seems incredibly one-dimensional in his material, as does McIntyre, Kay, McGuinness, Spikey (arguably the true talent of the lot of them). I don't even like Lee Evans, but I imagine he's loved more for him than his jokes. Tim Vine is a punchline guy like Carr, but at least has real energy and seems genuinely nice and not a smug ****.

 

Whereas, guys like Rock, Pryor, Murphy, Hicks, Kinison (who is always forgotten in these kinda lists), O'brien, Lee, Herring, Kitson - they all make it seem so effortless, like they are talking to you and could be deviating from the script at any given point. And they're all extremely smart guys, rather than just talking about things that happen ("trains... what are they all about? You run for one and then it drives off. It's madness. What's it all about? WHAT IS IT ALL ABOUT?") and they can't possibly deviate because then their set is ruined and they can't salvage it from that point.

 

And I cannot stand Jim Davidson.

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I'm sure I'm leaving people out in this post so I'll probably write a new one when other names pop into my head...

Michael McIntyre is my favourite at the moment. But I find it confusing when people say McIntyre's fans just like pop comedy. Because I hate Lee Evans, Peter Kay, Jimmy Carr and Tommy Tiernan (every Seán, Dick and Harry seems to love his ****ed up comedy in Ireland).

I don't know if he does stand-up, but the stuff Graham Norton comes out with on his show are legendary.

Ricky Gervais too is hilarious too with his TV shows and I enjoyed all his stand up shows.

Frankie Boyle I like because he's basically a thin human version of Eric Cartman.

Rick Mayall just has to pull a funny gface and he can have a crowd in stitches.

Omid Djalilli (dunno how to spell it) is a very funny comedian and very under-rated in my opinion...

Simon Amstell was legendary on NMTB too. Some of those stuff he came out with were hilarious.. I can't watch Lemarr anymore Amstell was that good a host.

I know I have forgotten some names here so I'll post when I think of them.

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Dara O'Briein and Russel Brand are by far the two best I've seen live, both hillarious unique expereinces. I'm a big Ricky Gervais fan, but saw his Fame Tour and that was pretty average and short.

 

Jimmy Carr is fairly good live, but as someone mentioned his act can be a bit wooden until he interacts with the audience. Other honorable mentions go out to Frank Skinner, Ardal O'Hanlon, Sean Locke, and Dylan Moran.

 

Once i've not seen live that I think are hillarious are Sarah Silverman, Dave Chapelle, Dane Cook and Peter Kay (many moons ago)

 

Michael McIntyre is ok in small doses, but I found an entire DVD of him to be a bit much.

 

I always love David Mitchell on panel shows, I'd like to see him break away from duo stuff and do his own stand up act.

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Talking of Jimmy Carr and hecklers.

 

 

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Any excuse to post that really. :lol

 

Anyhoo, comedians I really like:

 

Lee Mack.

Tim Vine (the constant puns just dont stop).

Eddie Izzard

Ed Byrne

Dara O Briain

 

The Russell Howard stand up was surprisingly funny, the Dylan Moran was a let down. :(

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