WWE RAW Discussion Thread - June 24, 2013 from North Charleston, SC (#1048)

[Guest FreeSpirit]

Another 3 hours of awesomeness last night for me.

[Guest brandnewdaddy]

Great raw in nc. Loved Bryan/Orton segment, heyman is still a genius, & looking forward to Money in the bank

[Omega 354]

Not sure why so much hate for Sheamus, I rather like him as a sort of 80's throwback power guy. Also, punk looks like Monkey from the 70's:

 

 

But to echo everyone else, **** this crowd. the Anti-philidelphia crowd.

[Omega 354]

Also, how much did Trips sound like Vince in his promo to Brickie? :D

 

EDIT: Cena's promo just get more and more soulless every week.

Edited June 25, 2013 by Omega

[Guest The Beltster]

I dont think the Punk/Heyman segment was bad (too long sure), but I mean come on, it's beyond obvious what was going to happen and its even more obvious where its leading...dont people find it hard to get into it when its so transparent?!

[Omega 354]

It would be nice if it didn't end up as a repeat of Big Show/Lesnar but what are you going to do, it's not been done for 5 years so it's time for a rehash.

[Guest John Hancock]

The ending's transparent, but the middle isn't. It's one of those "bomb under the table" stories, we all know what's going to happen, but we don't know how it's going to get there, which adds to the tension. It's like in American Beauty, in the first twenty seconds of the film, you know Kevin Spacey dies, but the tension is in finding out how he dies, who kills him, and feeling the sense of urgency because you know what's coming and he doesn't.

 

As Alfred Hitchcock, you coined the term "bomb theory", said;

 

There is a distinct difference between "suspense" and "surprise," and yet many pictures continually confuse the two. I'll explain what I mean.

We are now having a very innocent little chat. Let's suppose that there is a bomb underneath this table between us. Nothing happens, and then all of a sudden, "Boom!" There is an explosion. The public is surprised, but prior to this surprise, it has seen an absolutely ordinary scene, of no special consequence. Now, let us take a suspense situation. The bomb is underneath the table and the public knows it, probably because they have seen the anarchist place it there. The public is aware the bomb is going to explode at one o'clock and there is a clock in the decor. The public can see that it is a quarter to one. In these conditions, the same innocuous conversation becomes fascinating because the public is participating in the scene. The audience is longing to warn the characters on the screen: "You shouldn't be talking about such trivial matters. There is a bomb beneath you and it is about to explode!"

In the first case we have given the public fifteen seconds of surprise at the moment of the explosion. In the second we have provided them with fifteen minutes of suspense. The conclusion is that whenever possible the public must be informed. Except when the surprise is a twist, that is, when the unexpected ending is, in itself, the highlight of the story.

Edited June 25, 2013 by John Hancock

[Omega 354]

Me thinks you may be giving wwe creative a little too much credit by comparing them to Hitchcock.

[Guest HH-Evolution]

He's not directly comparing to hitchcock - just outlining what Hitchcock says about "suspense" and "surprise"

[Guest Pepsi Twist]

I don't mind if it's obvious as long as it's such a joy to watch, and that we get Punk vs Brock at the end :D

[Guest The Beltster]

The ending's transparent, but the middle isn't. It's one of those "bomb under the table" stories, we all know what's going to happen, but we don't know how it's going to get there, which adds to the tension. It's like in American Beauty, in the first twenty seconds of the film, you know Kevin Spacey dies, but the tension is in finding out how he dies, who kills him, and feeling the sense of urgency because you know what's coming and he doesn't.

I'm pretty sure I have a good idea exactly how we are going to get there...I knew exactly what was going to happen as that segment played out. Nothing was a surprise to me. There was no tension, it was obvious Heyman would do exactly what Punk told him not to (lie to and manipulate him) and that Punk would fall for it, as he said he wouldnt.

 

It was well acted, the guys involved are talented, but its pro wrestling and this is one of the most common angles in the history of the game.

 

I was shocked so many people didnt see the Mark Henry attack coming at the end of his 'retirement speech'.

 

As for the end result, the last match I want to see Brock Lesnar wasted on is against f*cking CM Punk, who will no doubt go over Lesnar like everybody else has. They are obviously paying Brock big money to put their guys over, but him losing to skinny little pathetic CM Punk...shocking.

[Guest Ciaran The King]

Henry's best mic work ever

[Omega 354]

He's not directly comparing to hitchcock - just outlining what Hitchcock says about "suspense" and "surprise"

 

I don't even....

[Guest Fatherof10minis]

Is it just me or has Cenas TV dwindled immensely the last few weeks? Im not complaining just saying. Awesome that Bryan/Orton closed the show and it felt like a main event by the end. Orton is soooooo good at putting guys over when its the right time. Bryan is getting primed for a world title run.

[The Fury 65]

Bryan and orton have been fined for the head chair shot