Wrestling Moves

[Guest Will O the Wisp]

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[Guest Ciaran The King]

F**k me that's good

[dsrchris 190]

I defy ANYONE to top that diving turnbuckle tornado DDT move this year as a standalone "No he isn't...oh f*ck he did it!" moment. Just, wow. WOW.

[Guest John Hancock]

Was that Generico? Not being smarky, I genuinely don't know his new name, other than I remember it being awful.

 

Anyway, that was really, really cool.

[dsrchris 190]

Yes. Yes it was. :wub

[Guest Jack]

I don't like moves like that. It's very impressive athletically, and it does look cool, but wrestlers shouldn't do things they don't need to do. If the move is a tornado DDT, do a tornado DDT but don't jump through the ropes to do deliver it. This is probably why I don't like RVD, Sabu and guys like that. I can't remember who said it but I remember a quote along the lines of "everything in the ring should make sense" and I agree with that, everything in a wrestling match should be simple but meaningful. Things like this just aren't. I get suspension of belief and all that but come on...

 

I watched a video entitled 'Best 15 moves from El Generico' or something like that, and there was a move in there which annoyed me too. It ended up being a powerbomb but it was a 'double wristlock, pumphandle, spinning powrbomb' or something stupid and illogical like that. If the move is a powerbomb, do a powerbomb and leave it at that. You never saw someone like Cro Cop do three forward rolls before a head kick, and neither should wrestlers.

[The Icon 152]

This is not mma. F*** cro crop this is entertainment and should be over the top sometimes

[Guest Will O the Wisp]

I definitely understand both schools of thought.

 

I have two opposing views though.

 

1) If you took everything "unnecessary" out of wrestling, there would not be much left. In your example, a tornado DDT is even unnecessary movement compared to a DDT.

 

2) Real combat sports do unnecessary stuff too. Remember that guy that jumped of the cage and KO'd the guy with a head kick? A simple juke to the right followed by a head kick would have accomplished the same thing.

 

I totally understand your side, and can see why you would be against those kind of moves. My position is that there is a place for both.

 

Edit- I found the video for anyone with as fuzzy a memory as mine. It wasn't a KO, but a very impressive, if unnecessary maneuver.

[video=youtube;LH7oRb5Knjc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LH7oRb5Knjc

Edited August 23, 2013 by Will O the Wisp

[Guest Ciaran The King]

I always believed that Indy guys were innovative and were always bringing new moves to the ring?

[dsrchris 190]

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[Chris2K 176]

Without meaning to bring too much MMA to the Wrestling Forum, I think Pettis' kick against Henderson was a bit more than unnecessary, the fact that Pettis ran to the cage made Henderson drop his hands in a way that a more simple fake wouldn't have done, and in the end the kick connecting won Pettis the fight by decision in a very close verdict. Interesting timing too as the UFC re-match of their WEC fight is a week tomorrow.

 

I'm all for innovative move if it works in the realms of common sense, i.e. doesn't involve the opponent being in a stupid position for a long time. The Elix Skipper tightrope cagewalk headscissors has lost a lot of lustre with me over the years after I noticed just how long Chris Harris(?) has to sit there and wait for Skipper to get his move right.

[DC 536]

I don't like moves like that. It's very impressive athletically, and it does look cool, but wrestlers shouldn't do things they don't need to do. If the move is a tornado DDT, do a tornado DDT but don't jump through the ropes to do deliver it. This is probably why I don't like RVD, Sabu and guys like that.

While I understand your sentiment and I can agree to an extent, with this one you could argue that he was getting to his opponent before he has a chance to recover and this was the quickest way to do it.

 

That particular move doesn't look contrived where the receiver has to stand in the same position looking stupid while the opponent gets in position, so it can be explained in semi-logical terms as to why he did it.

[Guest Ciaran The King]

I think the move worked as Zayn was trying to entertain yet win at all costs

[Guest The Beltster]

I think the move worked as Zayn was trying to entertain yet win at all costs

In the world of kayfabe, entertaining shouldnt even be in the top 1000 priorities of a wrestler. His only reason for being in that ring should be to win the match, not look cool or be funny or anything else. So in that regard, the move was stupid. But kayfabe is dead so whatever. Wrestlers now are marks for the marks. They mark out if they can get the fans to mark out.

 

I'm not really sure who's working who anymore...

[dsrchris 190]

I can believe the move in as much as through the turnbuckles was the quickest route for him to get to Cesaro, and the most likely to catch him by surprise and therefore off guard.

 

In the realms of MOVEZ! it's nowhere near as contrived and blatantly set up as a lot of stuff out there. I thought it fitted in with the match really well.