Guest Ruderz Posted August 29, 2013 Share Posted August 29, 2013 Something that has constantly been p*ssing me off lately is the 'Cena Hate Train'. Despite having an amazing match with Daniel Bryan at SummerSlam he still gets slated on the internet for not being able to wrestle, un-charismatic, blah blah blah. I for one enjoy his character and have come to the conclusion that hating on Cena has just become a thing to do in wrestling. Sure, I understand the Cena hate. He's been at the top of the company for years and years, constantly being shoved down our throats, has the 'five moves of doom' although if this is grounds for hating a wrestler, then surely we should all also hate any wrestler that has done the same move for years such as HHH for the Spinebuster/Pedigree combination, or Undertaker for the walking on the top rope to the tombstone combination. Sure, he's been molded into 'the face' of the PG era, has his 'superman' moments (but this arguably has happened with other wrestlers as well, such as the Undertaker I believe) and nearly every one of his promos are the same. But how much of this is actually his fault? Is it his fault for how he is used? Is it his fault that kids everywhere love him, and he sells merchandise, so therefore will obviously be a focal point of the WWE? Is his 'five moves of doom' really worth hating on when every wrestler has their signature moves that they have used for years? Is it his fault that he has become the face of the PG era and although the PG era isn't suited to the more mature audience, it sells and makes money which is ultimately what WWE want. If WWE thought they could get more money from an attitude style era rather than a PG era, then surely that is what we would see? His promos (from what I am led to believe) are scripted so therefore he has no actual control over the fact that his promos are all the same. Hell, I find just how he takes all the hate in his stride great and still manages to work alongside it despite 'you can't wrestle', 'we all hate you' etc chants. I just feel that the Cena hate train has long left the station. It has been nearly ten years and I am still seeing the same old sh*t about Cena every time he even pops up on screen for two seconds. The guy obviously can wrestle (just look at SummerSlam) and I think he's pretty charismatic. I'm not Cena's biggest fan, he's not one of my favorite wrestlers, I certainly want to see a break from him being Champion, but I don't hate the character at all. Now, what would it take for the Cena hate to stop? If you were in control, what steps would you take to try and stop everyone hating Cena? Is there anything that can be done at this point, or is it well too established as 'the thing to do' nowadays? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
etz Posted August 29, 2013 Share Posted August 29, 2013 Personally, I have no problem with Cena's promos... they're usually no better or worse than anyone elses these days. "Cena can't wrestle" hasn't been relevant for years, since at least 2006/2007, where he had properly stand out matches with Umaga and Michaels. Even his match against Khali wasn't totally terrible. The thing to remember is that, by and large, it's only the IWC who really claim to hate Cena. Sure, male fans in the audience boo him and chant "Cena Sucks!", but that's just a thing people do. Some small number may legitimately dislike him, but then he is John Cena, multi-millionaire, built like most guys couldn't dream of, even on the juice, and shagging one of the Bella twins. ****, even I hate him a bit for all that... I can't see what could be done to stop the Cena hate because anything he did to get the haters behind him would be a "betrayal" of his current fans, who would then hate him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxximus Posted August 30, 2013 Share Posted August 30, 2013 I used to hate John Cena with a passion until I realized he's been in some of my favorite matches of the past ten years. There are so many more deserving wrestlers to hate right now like Jinder Mahal and Ryback that is seems silly to focus on John "Mr, He's Not That Bad" Cena. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Fatherof10minis Posted August 30, 2013 Share Posted August 30, 2013 I just think his character has gotten a bit stale. Hogan was untouchable through the 80s but by 92 maybe 93 people were tired of it. It just became stale to be a hulk fan. Cena has been at the helm since 2005ish. There had been no real progression of the character. It's just stale. I don't hate the guy either and his charity work and other side work for wwe are things to be held up and cheered for. But I really think people are just tired of the same old cena. It's why we have been pleading for a heel turn for what seems like ages now and everyone there is a chance and then it don't happen we as fans get more pissed off. If cena wants to be truly loved by all than he needs to adjust the character. That is how the undertakers and Kane's and hogans kept their positives going. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxximus Posted August 30, 2013 Share Posted August 30, 2013 I forgot to answer the question though. No the Cena hate train will never stop. Ever. I just don't mind him so much myself anymore. There will always be people that hate Cena no matter what you tell 'em. Ask CtK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jimmy Redman Posted August 30, 2013 Share Posted August 30, 2013 I think there's a chance it will, but I'm talking decades from now, when we are far removed from his run on top, the people who hate him have had time to get over it and his work and career can be evaluated with some perspective and not tempered with thoughts of "...but I wish he'd go away." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ciaran The King Posted August 30, 2013 Share Posted August 30, 2013 (edited) I've accepted Cena ain't going away and therefore there is no point in hating him as he's been around a while and he's gonna be around a while yet. My dislike of Cena has subsided but I still don't like Cena (the performer). John Cena is a good guy, all his charity work and other outside work prove this. What I still don't like is the in ring John Cena who is consistently mediocre. What annoys me is that underneath it all Cena is a good worker when he wants to be especially when facing guys like HBK,Umaga, Punk, Bryan, Orton and so on. What annoys me is that in certain big matches against superior performers he seems to up his game and yet against other workers his matches can be dire. The other thing is that his character hasn't really changed since 2005. Everyone gets stale in the end Edited August 30, 2013 by Ciaran The King Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jayfunk Posted August 30, 2013 Share Posted August 30, 2013 John Cena is a good guy Didn't he cheat on his wife? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 30, 2013 Share Posted August 30, 2013 Can you give example's of when Cena didn't bring his A-Game or wanted to? If you go by RAW matches, then Cena does the same routine as every other superstar who gets their sprint match, it's not as if he's purposely being lazy. I'll give you the character bit though. The saluting, talking to the camera and his "Let's update he crowd on what's happening around his person" promos can fü*k off. That's what's tiring everyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ciaran The King Posted August 30, 2013 Share Posted August 30, 2013 Cena's ring work can be sloppy and he calls spots loudly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Posted August 30, 2013 Share Posted August 30, 2013 The exact same can be said for Chris Jericho. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ciaran The King Posted August 30, 2013 Share Posted August 30, 2013 The exact same can be said for Chris Jericho. Agreed but I like Jericho Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxximus Posted August 30, 2013 Share Posted August 30, 2013 Cm Punk is also really bad about obvious spot calling. Always has been. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ciaran The King Posted August 30, 2013 Share Posted August 30, 2013 But he's better than Cena Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxximus Posted August 30, 2013 Share Posted August 30, 2013 At obvious spot calling? Yep, agreed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dsrchris Posted August 30, 2013 Share Posted August 30, 2013 Cm Punk is also really bad about obvious spot calling. Always has been. I was just coming in here to say if we're calling wrestlers out on occasional sloppiness and bad spot calling then we've got to mention Punk. I love the guy to bits, but even I know how bad he can be. And RVD. I can see him calling some of his spots from a mile away. And sometimes hear them too. I think Cena's probably the loudest though. Like, sometimes he doesn't even appear to be trying to hide it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxximus Posted August 30, 2013 Share Posted August 30, 2013 Go back and watch Cena Bryan from summerslam. Don't get me wrong, I LOVE that match but they're bad about it. Cena way more than Bryan but I think that might be because Cena fancies himself a ring general. Either way they both improved the hell out of a few botches and made them look pretty damn good. Trips is bad at obvious spot calling too and he's God. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest John Hancock Posted August 30, 2013 Share Posted August 30, 2013 Triple H doesn't give a f*ck about spot calling, he'll just yell the move as loud as he can. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest The Beltster Posted August 30, 2013 Share Posted August 30, 2013 Why does it have to run out of steam? I mean, if you dont like him, you dont like him, right? What does it matter? I dont like Cena, I think he's annoying, his entire character grates on my nerves, if I never had to see him again it would make WWE more bearable for me. But i'm not losing any sleep over the fact he's always there on top. Some people like him, some dont. I dont but I'm not on some sort of anti-Cena bandwagon just for the sake of it. I simply dont like him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jimmy Redman Posted August 30, 2013 Share Posted August 30, 2013 Cena's ring work can be sloppy and he calls spots loudly The exact same can be said for Chris Jericho. Agreed but I like Jericho This just about sums it up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jack Posted August 31, 2013 Share Posted August 31, 2013 Cena's main event matches are usually good but I still find him annoying in general. His character frustrates me, his acting his awful which doesn't make for good promos and I don't like his style in the ring. Everything from the way he runs to his finishing move looks so sloppy and that bothers me. I just find him quite an annoying wrestler to watch in general, so I won't ever be a fan of his, I don't think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ciaran The King Posted August 31, 2013 Share Posted August 31, 2013 (edited) [ This just about sums it up. Thanks Jimmy :) Face it Jimmy I think Cena sucks Edited August 31, 2013 by Ciaran The King Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jimmy Redman Posted August 31, 2013 Share Posted August 31, 2013 I'm just saying, you're not the only person to try and rationalise irrational hatred. "I hate Cena because he does x, y and z." "These other guys also do x, y and z." "Yes, but I don't hate them, so it doesn't matter." You hate Cena. Awesome. It's when you or anyone else tries to present it as a rational argument using catchphrases like "sloppy in the ring" or "needs to be carried" or "calls too loudly" (!) that are easily broken down that I tend to just laugh. You could have stopped at "I hate Cena." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ciaran The King Posted August 31, 2013 Share Posted August 31, 2013 Okay Jimmy to please you I will say: I don't like John Cena Okay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jimmy Redman Posted August 31, 2013 Share Posted August 31, 2013 Why thank you kind sir. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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