Dolph Ziggler BERRIED / Drawing (split)

[Maxximus 353]

The Wrestling Observer Newsletter is reporting that the word going around backstage in WWE is that WWE officials have gone sour on Dolph Ziggler and they feel that he will never be a star who can draw big ratings or big money for them.

 

AND REDMAN KNOCKS ONE OUT OF THE PARK!

 

Sucks for you Ziggler fans.

[Guest Jayfunk]

Sort of true though, he was never that great a sort of miz type really. good mid carder but as someone to hold the belt and be the man, never

[dsrchris 190]

The Wrestling Observer Newsletter is reporting that the word going around backstage in WWE is that WWE officials have gone sour on Dolph Ziggler and they feel that he will never be a star who can draw big ratings or big money for them.

 

AND REDMAN KNOCKS ONE OUT OF THE PARK!

 

Sucks for you Ziggler fans.

 

Call me delusional if you will, but what's the chances of this "leak" being a work that seems to tie in neatly with everything else that's going on? Like, that whole "never draw money or ratings" sounds like it's straight out of a recent TrollHunter promo?

 

I'm kinda hoping this is more of the "new kayfabe" that Maxxy mentioned a while back. Like I say, probably delusional, but I'd love it if WWE started working the dirtsheets too as part of this angle.

[Maxximus 353]

Believe in the almighty Observer, dsr! For surely they've never swerved us before.

 

Just like this Ryback/Undertaker streak thing.

[Guest Jimmy Redman]

Call me delusional if you will, but what's the chances of this "leak" being a work that seems to tie in neatly with everything else that's going on? Like, that whole "never draw money or ratings" sounds like it's straight out of a recent TrollHunter promo?

 

I'm kinda hoping this is more of the "new kayfabe" that Maxxy mentioned a while back. Like I say, probably delusional, but I'd love it if WWE started working the dirtsheets too as part of this angle.

 

:lol

 

I'm sorry dude, I just... :lol

 

I'm sure that when/if Dolph has a confrontation with Hunter/Steph they will use that line on him, but I think you've got the massively wrong end of the chicken/egg stick there.

[Guest The Beltster]

Cant be about ratings and drawing money though, because CM Punk does neither and he had the longest reign in years. And DBry has proven to be a shit ratings and buyrate guy and his push continues.

 

People are just pissy with Ziggler because he doesnt give a f*ck what he says in interviews outside of WWE. He'll learn to shut up and he'll get his turn with the top belts just like everybody else does.

[Guest Jimmy Redman]

D Bryan hasn't proven anything yet.

[Guest Jack]

The ratings won't improve whilst WWE is seen as being uncool, so I don't think you can hold it against anyone for not drawing good numbers. The ratings might go up a tiny bit for someone like The Rock or Lesnar but if they were regulars, the ratings would fall to be just like they are now because the WWE has alienated itself from the key demographic. There's no way the WWE can lure in masses of 18-30 year males whilst the product is PG, it's just not going to happen. A character as good as Austin from 1997-1999 could debut on RAW this Monday but it wouldn't make a difference to the ratings. It'll take a change in the direction of the company as a whole, not a figurehead, to start getting bigger TV numbers and PPV buys.

 

Cena, Punk, Bryan, Ziggler...whoever, it really doesn't matter. A large demographic don't want to watch WWE in 2013 and that won't change on a significant level depending on who is seen as being the top dog.

[dsrchris 190]

:lol

 

I'm sorry dude, I just... :lol

 

I'm sure that when/if Dolph has a confrontation with Hunter/Steph they will use that line on him, but I think you've got the massively wrong end of the chicken/egg stick there.

 

I'm pretty much with Belty and Jack in as much as nobody draws any more, so how is that even an excuse for being down on someone? Regardless of who is champ (well, except Cena, but he doesn't exactly have MASSIVE drawing power) they've done nothing for numbers.

 

If there'd been a leak that said they're down on Dolph for not keeping his mouth to himself about certain people then I'd believe it. It's just the talk about drawing money that makes me wanna call work.

 

Like I said, probably delusional, but I don't think it's totally outside the realms of possibility. Certainly not lol-worthy anyways.

 

If you want lol-worthy you should go see all the fan boys getting aggro on the various Facebook wrestling pages that reported this.

[Guest Jimmy Redman]

I'm pretty much with Belty and Jack in as much as nobody draws any more, so how is that even an excuse for being down on someone? Regardless of who is champ (well, except Cena, but he doesn't exactly have MASSIVE drawing power) they've done nothing for numbers.

 

If there'd been a leak that said they're down on Dolph for not keeping his mouth to himself about certain people then I'd believe it. It's just the talk about drawing money that makes me wanna call work.

 

Like I said, probably delusional, but I don't think it's totally outside the realms of possibility. Certainly not lol-worthy anyways.

 

If you want lol-worthy you should go see all the fan boys getting aggro on the various Facebook wrestling pages that reported this.

 

I don't think it is 100% out of the realm of possibility, to put it that way, but I find it highly unlikely. It has nothing to do with current storyline as it is, and as Omega pointed out in the other thread, they're not setting out to just "work the sheets" for the lulz, everything they do is referenced on TV in some way.

 

If they had said it about The Miz, for example, coming off the "utility player" angle he's currently in, it would sound like kayfabe. This doesn't. This just sounds like the latest news on the status of Dolph Ziggler in the company, and it is reflected easily enough by all possible evidence.

 

I'm not saying that whoever said it is correct in their assessment, or even convinced that anyone important actually said that at all. You have to take all sheet news with however much salt is to your tastes. And if Dolph isn't over to their liking they hardly have anyone else to blame but themselves since he is about the biggest jobber in company history. But I definitely think that crying "work", in this case, is you grasping at straws to come up with something, anything, that isn't Dolph being in the proverbial "doghouse".

 

I admire your dedication to a guy against all possible odds, believe me. But you are starting to sound a little cray cray about it, with the least possible offense meant.

[dsrchris 190]

I dunno, I think it's because I really want this to be an all encompassing angle with the Corporate stuff, so now I'm looking at every little news story as how it could tie in to the bigger picture.

 

I don't want to seem like I'm obsessing about Dolph, I'm honestly not, I'm just digging for clues that may point to where this angle is heading next.

 

Believe me, WWE is not sending my sh*t cray cray just yet! :lol

[Guest Jimmy Redman]

No I get it, and I feel the same way about the angle. I just think in this case its just wishful thinking. Like how I'm holding out hope for the Referee Scott Armstrong shoot interview :lol

[Guest The Beltster]

D Bryan hasn't proven anything yet.

No, and he's had 2 main event PPV title matches and weeks of TV attention in the main spot on RAW and, like you said before, his YES YES YES shit has been huge over for 18 months...so I think he's had time to at least move ONE weeks number which he hasnt done, and likely never will. Being over in the building doesnt mean shit. Punk proved that for well over a year.

 

So anybody who thinks Dolph wont get his chance because he doesnt pull a rating on RAW or draw a butrate is an idiot. He'll get his shot.

[Guest Ciaran The King]

Ziggler just sucks as a face

[Guest The Beltster]

Even as a face he doesnt seem to act much different than he does as a heel. I think he's one of those cocky, arrogant guys who can get over playing the same deal in either role.