August 29, 201410 yr That looks like John Wayne Murdoch in that clip, who is a trained indy wrestler, in which case it's not backyarding. It is hard to tell from the quality of the clip though. Compare it to this, if it is the same wrestler then it's not backyarding. [video=youtube;YTncRxjJ1lw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTncRxjJ1lw Again, it might not be him, but if it is, it's not backyarding.
August 29, 201410 yr CONFIRMED: https://indypowerrankingsipr.wordpress.com/2014/07/25/725-iwa-mid-south-feeling-extremely-froggy-results/comment-page-1/ It's from an IWA show, not a backyard show. I knew I'd seen that clip before.
August 29, 201410 yr Backyarding or not, doing silly shit like that from 20 feet in the air is ridiculous and no amount of pro wrestling training matters. Falling 20 feet and going through tables which can break or splinter in ways you cant control is beyond dumb. Doing it for hardly any money and in front of a handful of people makes it even worse. I wonder if these guys do this thinking it will catch the eye of somebody high up in WWE and get them a job? Dont they realise they'd be so much better off working on their appearance and getting the basics down and concentrating on that sort of thing than going this late 1990's style stunts which usually typecasts these guys as garbage wrestlers and generally doesnt get them hired by WWE or places where they can really make a good living? Come on people, stop it.
August 29, 201410 yr IWA:MS sucks. Ian Rotten sucks. Doing stupid shit like this sucks. There's no defending this idiocy. Remember all the times when JR used to say "How do you learn to fall off a 20 foot ladder? You don't!" it applies here. They're doing stupid crap like this for what? $20 and a hot dog? Enjoy that hot dog when your family or significant other has to put it in a blender, set it to frappe and watch as you drink it down a straw because you can't chew anymore, since that time you took a stupid bump, for stupidly low amounts of money, leaving you in a wheelchair.
August 29, 201410 yr Author That looks like John Wayne Murdoch in that clip, who is a trained indy wrestler, in which case it's not backyarding.I knew you'd be in to White Knight this abomination. Regardless of who it was, it has the appearance of being filmed in someone's backyard, in front of a crowd that is probably outnumbered by the amount of "wrestlers" on the card, and they did that move onto tables with a concrete path immediately adjacent to said tables. It is ridiculously dangerous to do something like that at any level, even when WWE would have made sure the stunt was as safe as humanly possible AND had the best medical personnel at their disposal.
August 30, 201410 yr Author :rollDespite your well thought out and articulate counterpoint, I'm going to stick to my original point of view.
August 30, 201410 yr Just because he holds a different view doesn't make him wrong dc I agree with you myself but he can have his view free of grabs imho
August 30, 201410 yr To be fair to Shao, he's not "white knighting", he's just pointing out that the clip is from an Indy promotion, not just some complete random backyarder. I still think it's a stupid move that shouldn't have been attempted (especially with that big patch of concrete below them), but that doesn't stop Shao from having a valid comment. All he said was it isn't backyarders, and he's correct. I don't like IWA:MS myself. They're still trying to ride the coat tails of them having a decent roster in the past, but Rotten just books garbage wrestling these days. At least before you had some good matches, now it's just dickheads throwing themselves off and through stuff for no good reason.
August 30, 201410 yr Author I was commenting on the "rolling eyes" response rather than his original post (which I had already responded to).
August 30, 201410 yr To be fair to Shao, he's not "white knighting", he's just pointing out that the clip is from an Indy promotion, not just some complete random backyarder. I still think it's a stupid move that shouldn't have been attempted (especially with that big patch of concrete below them), but that doesn't stop Shao from having a valid comment. All he said was it isn't backyarders, and he's correct. Exactly. I've made my point about this kind of thing before, that is, I have no problem with trained pro-wrestlers doing it. They're going to do it either way, and it's way better that trained pro-wrestlers who know how to perform the moves and take the bumps properly are doing it instead of some untrained backyarder. I don't like IWA:MS myself. They're still trying to ride the coat tails of them having a decent roster in the past, but Rotten just books garbage wrestling these days. At least before you had some good matches, now it's just dickheads throwing themselves off and through stuff for no good reason. I have to disagree with this though, if you look at the recent IWA-MS cards, there are actually the exact same amount of deathmatch and hardcore matches that they've always had. Perhaps even less.
August 30, 201410 yr It's not the amount of matches themselves, it's how much they're upping the ante in the "stupid, dangerous spot" stakes that bothers me. Take the Canadian Destroyer video as an example, where do they go from there? Set the tables on fire? Add light tubes? It also bothers me from a psychological standpoint that in older deathmatches a move like that would've been the finish (and justifiably so), but a couple of the deathmatches I've tried to watch recently just throw in those big stupid moves halfway through and have people kick out, so they can carry on to something even more ridiculous at the finish. It just seems like the guys in these matches aren't gonna be satisfied until someone gets seriously hurt or killed, and that's so far removed from what wrestling is supposed to be, I just can't get my head around it.
August 30, 201410 yr I've made my point about this kind of thing before, that is, I have no problem with trained pro-wrestlers doing it. They're going to do it either way, and it's way better that trained pro-wrestlers who know how to perform the moves and take the bumps properly are doing it instead of some untrained backyarder.Pro wrestlers arent trained to take bumps through tables off the top off barns. They are taking as much risk as anybody else doing it. As I mentioned before, you cannot control how a table breaks or splinters (unless its gimmicked and they obviously werent), its a stupid thing for anybody to do.
August 30, 201410 yr It's not the amount of matches themselves, it's how much they're upping the ante in the "stupid, dangerous spot" stakes that bothers me. Take the Canadian Destroyer video as an example, where do they go from there? Set the tables on fire? Add light tubes? Well I could show you a variety of bumps that are far far worse than the one posted in this thread. So in that respect it's nothing new, and this was tame compared to a lot of stuff I've seen. It just seems like the guys in these matches aren't gonna be satisfied until someone gets seriously hurt or killed, and that's so far removed from what wrestling is supposed to be, I just can't get my head around it. Well deathmatch wrestling as a whole has actually gotten more tame in the last few years. So it's kind of moved in the opposite direction, that is that there are less and less of these types of bumps happening. Pro wrestlers arent trained to take bumps through tables off the top off barns. They are taking as much risk as anybody else doing it. As I mentioned before, you cannot control how a table breaks or splinters (unless its gimmicked and they obviously werent), its a stupid thing for anybody to do. I disagree. I've seen enough shoot interviews with hardcore and deathmatch wrestlers to know that they use their training to take these types of bumps.
August 30, 201410 yr You've watched shoot interviews and that's your proof enough to disagree that falling of a barn is less risky for a wrestler than a normal person? In those shoot interviews did they explain exactly how they take these bumps to make them safer?
August 30, 201410 yr Pro wrestling training does NOT include learning to bump off the roof of a barn through tables. I dont care how many shoot interviews you've watched. Now, these clowns may very well have practiced jumping off high places onto crash mats or something to feel their range but thats irrelevant, its not pro wrestling training, its stupid fat blokes throwing themselves off of things through other things that they have no control over how they break or where they might land as an end result and its dumb. I guarantee you guys who matter in the business of pro wrestling, who are the ones who can pick these guys up and give them jobs look at stupid shite like this, roll their eyes and never give them another thought unless they vastly change their style or learn how to work and not rely on stunts of which the shock factor has become less and less.
August 30, 201410 yr Cue SHL citing Dean Ambrose as one of those idiots. Mick Foley too. Like that actually means anything. We have one of these threads every 6-8 months and it's the same old stuff. We all note how stupid these people are, and SHL white knights them. The cycle repeats.
August 30, 201410 yr Pro wrestling training does NOT include learning to bump off the roof of a barn through tables. I dont care how many shoot interviews you've watched. Now, these clowns may very well have practiced jumping off high places onto crash mats or something to feel their range but thats irrelevant, its not pro wrestling training, its stupid fat blokes throwing themselves off of things through other things that they have no control over how they break or where they might land as an end result and its dumb. What about top rope moves through tables? The way I see it, if a wrestler can learn to do that, they can learn to do this. The only difference is the height involved. I guarantee you guys who matter in the business of pro wrestling, who are the ones who can pick these guys up and give them jobs look at stupid shite like this, roll their eyes and never give them another thought unless they vastly change their style or learn how to work and not rely on stunts of which the shock factor has become less and less. I still don't understand why people think that the wrestlers who do this can't work. The vast vast majority of them can work just fine, they only do this stuff because they want to. Which is especially true for the wrestler in the videos in this thread, he is a normal wrestler who does hardcore/deathmatches occasionally. Cue SHL citing Dean Ambrose as one of those idiots. Mick Foley too. Like that actually means anything. We have one of these threads every 6-8 months and it's the same old stuff. We all note how stupid these people are, and SHL white knights them. The cycle repeats. And this post sums up why I rarely post here anymore. These forums are too stress inducing. Just because I have an opinion it means that I'm 'white knighting' them? The only intention I had when I posted in this thread was to point out that this wasn't a backyard show, I didn't start this argument again. And these forums are far too argumentative when it comes to these things anyway. I've discussed deathmatch wrestling and such on the other forum I post on, with people who don't like it, and the discussions were always civil and reasonable. Unlike this place.
August 30, 201410 yr What about top rope moves through tables? The way I see it, if a wrestler can learn to do that, they can learn to do this. The only difference is the height involved.But they dont learn to do it, they just agree to do it. There is no place you go to get taught to go through tables from great heights. And the height involved is a pretty significant difference dont you think? If you stack 2 tables up they are pretty much the same height as the top rope, thats alot different than coming off a roof, although its still stupid. I still don't understand why people think that the wrestlers who do this can't work. The vast vast majority of them can work just fine, they only do this stuff because they want to. Which is especially true for the wrestler in the videos in this thread, he is a normal wrestler who does hardcore/deathmatches occasionally.I didnt say all of them cant work but the ones you see doing this same stuff often obviously cant or else they wouldnt rely on doing garbage wrestling. And these forums are far too argumentative when it comes to these things anyway. I've discussed deathmatch wrestling and such on the other forum I post on, with people who don't like it, and the discussions were always civil and reasonable. Unlike this place.Eh, we arent arguing, I think its quite civil to be fair.