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With everything coming to an end how's about all those folks who worked backstage give us some fun stories and memories from their times as bookers. Whether that was fed heads or division bookers.

 

What was your favourite angle you booked?

 

What was your favourite idea that never got the green light?

 

What was the worst idea you ever came up with?

 

What matches do you wish you been able to book?

 

Who was your favourite person to book?

 

Who was your lest favourite to book?

 

Biggest regret or missed opportunity?

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What was your favourite angle you booked?

 

I only really booked one angle, my time as an actual booker was during the roster split and I was in charge of the Pure title and the feud over it between Gower and Apollo Chambers, who I pulled for the most because their characters and style matched the division the best and also because Gower was an experienced and good writer whilst Chambers was up and coming and I thought could learn a lot from him.

 

What was your favourite idea that never got the green light?

 

Don't think I had one to be honest, other then the Roster split never took off and we had to re-unify the belts quite quickly due to members leaving in the post Mania, Summertime season.

 

What was the worst idea you ever came up with?

 

I once suggested Keith Jaxx win the Rumble - but considering it was Gower's second character and he was heavily invested in his main one at the time, plus he was a comedy character it wouldn't have worked on any other level other then my personal enjoyment.

 

What matches do you wish you been able to book?

 

New Blood v ERE v TWOStars. Winter, Drake, Red Scorpion and Butcher v Deadman, Crippler, Fill and Gower v Gringo, Sickness, Boyo and Jones. Also I never got to have a proper feud with Samson or Jones which would have been nice to book and work in a show.

 

Who was your favourite person to book?

 

I like working with Paul, Barry, Boyo, J-Rock and Jobber because even though I only directly booked Barry, I was given a lot of leeway by the booking team as a booking assistant when feuding with people and allowed to generate ideas and run with them so long as the overall end result was reached. These guys were full of ideas, smart about not just wrestling but how interpersonal relations should go as well and you could get a lot done with them.

 

Who was your lest favourite to book?

 

Apollo let me down and left soon after I began his push so in the end, by almost default, Barry had to take the Pure Title instead of giving rub to Apollo's character. He later came back though and did some great work as part of AC/DC and FERE but at that time I wanted to push him and use him and couldn't. Barry picked up the slack really well though.

 

Biggest regret or missed opportunity?

 

Apart from not having proper feuds with Samson and Jones like I said before I also wish I'd been around more during the end of mine and CVD's feud and mainly, that the split didn't work and we had to get the titles back together so quickly, although that did lead to one hell of a unification match and Twiggie's very good reign as the champion but we could have done a lot with the split if the roster at the time had been able to stick with it.

What was your favourite angle you booked?

 

The Deadman hates TWOStars stuff.

 

 

What was your favourite idea that never got the green light?

 

I dont know that it ever happened as I had final say. Though Megz often argued against stuff and could change my mind (normally for the better).

 

 

What was the worst idea you ever came up with?

 

TWOStars halloween special was pretty bad. :lol

 

 

What matches do you wish you been able to book?

 

Crippler vs Gringo in a long fued.

 

 

Who was your favourite person to book?

 

Hmmm. Either Boyo or Gringo, with Megz a close third. Gringo could take my ideas and make them amazing, Boyo made them surprising.

 

 

Who was your lest favourite to book?

 

Jayfunk. He never quite *got* wrestling IMO.

 

 

Biggest regret or missed opportunity?

 

Not having more time with the Ex Rev lot to really have a massive and strong roster.

I booked the TV Title and Tag Titles for a while in 2005/2006, probably stopping doing that role when my mega-push kicked in in early 2007, so I'll contribute some bits n bobs:

 

What was your favourite angle you booked?

Only really ever had two major angles and they both played out pretty much bang-on.

 

TV Title: It was the TV Title Tournament. Think there were 10 or 12 entrants, a bit of a round robin early stages (4 groups of 3 maybe, or 3 groups of 4), before knock-out rounds, followed by a spectacular hell in a cage between Elder and Christopher Eagles, main eventing the Survivor Series. I wrote that match. Going in to the tournament I wanted Elder to win it because he was my favourite character and I wanted to push him. However, when push came to shove, it was WAYNE's work ethic and enthusiasm for the whole tournament that changed my mind literally at the last minute. I seem to remember saying to Megs, literally as I was writing the final few lines of the match itself, that Eagles was no going to win because he's worked his butt off, and Megs agreed straight away.

 

Tag Title: The taggers died a death when I took over. Not because I took over, y'understand, but it just transpired that all these teams broke up due to one of the team members disappearing forever. In the end I just said to DC (bear in mind this is about April, just after Nova) "DC you and MBR (the Caged Rhynos) are going to have to split up and your big match is at Summerslam. It's pretty much up to you what you do". He asked if he could involve a sexual assault story, I said "of course lol :lol", and he came up with MBR attempting to rape Angel and Draven Cage going mental. Did the entire thing himself, and to be fair it was brilliantly done.

 

What was your favourite idea that never got the green light?

I can't really think of anything to be honest, as nothing I would do would affect the bigger matches. I was just involved with the "lesser" characters and DC doing his own thing.

 

What was the worst idea you ever came up with?

Again, can't really think of anything that really went tits up, as far as my booking went anyway. I do think that perhaps one or two of the people who were knocked out of he TV Title Tourny early doors lost a bit of heart maybe.

 

What matches do you wish you been able to book?

As tag booker, I would have loved to book Dark Alliance matches, however TWO only ever really had one good, proper tag team around at any time. If it wasn't a singular tag team at any time, then it was a faction, and you can't really have a tag team fight a faction. That's just weird to me. I'd have liked to have create a couple of tag teams. I came up with The Caged Rhynos (DC and MBR), and then MBR disappeared. I think I came up with 5 Star Solution, which would have been a cross between The Rockers and Funaki and Taka Michinoku (a good, curtain jerking team of entertainers), but one of those guys disappeared straight away too.

 

Who was your favourite person to book?

Erm, DC. The guy pretty much booked himself :P

 

Who was your least favourite to book?

I never had anyone refuse or reject or question my booking, I had people exchanging good ideas, but no one stands out as being a difficult bell end. Push me for an answer though and I'll say WAYNE. Darkstar told me when he first made me booker that I should expect a PM from WAYNE mere minutes after the weekly creative thread went up. He was right. Bah GAWD, was he ever right :P :lol.

 

Biggest regret or missed opportunity?

Not really a regret because I never thought of it that seriously back when I was booking, but in hindsight I would have reformed The New Blood with a largely different line-up. The timings and the "who-was-writing-who-when" don't really tally up but, given the opportunity now, I would have thrown a Gawd-Almighty strop if I couldn't get Arron Winter, Johnny Rockerfeller, Edward Samson and Jenny McKellen as a new version of The New Blood. Winter as the leader, Rocky as the mouthpiece, Samson as the muscle, McKellen as the hot female. I'd probably also have Samson's manager involved too. Done well, that team would have had the entire show renamed NB-TV again.

 

But yes, they would have gone against The Dark Alliance, Boyo, Sickness and Twiggie. Or if Twigz didn't want to do it, Boyo, Sickness and The Great Ken. Boyo's son, Boyo's son's girlfriend in The New Blood, Sickness being petrified of Samson, Boyo and J-Rock's history. Could have been epic :).

 

Cheers!

I thought Sickness was only scared of Deadman, because he thought he was a legit "dead" man?

Ah yes it was Deadman that Sickness was legit scared of. He used to at least pee his pants a little bit at the sight of Samson though, iirc, because Samson was the first man to make Sickness tap? Something like that.

 

Cheers!

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What was your favourite angle you booked?

 

Without a doubt the whole Cari-Dee V Jenny McKellen. It was just the easiest angle to book using the burgeoning relationship of Cari and Randy as a weapon. Not only was the story nice and simple but I think Nimf, Rudie and I just wrote it really well. I tried almost every angle I could think of as a booker but I think this one just worked and was quite gripping. I think I might have said the ERE/SCW invasion angle but that one rather followed the real life invasion angle and died a death before we got to the really good bits.

 

What was your favourite idea that never got the green light?

 

I came up with something totally out there for an angle JubJub had come up with but wanted some extra ideas on (I'm trying to hunt down the thread as we speak!) and whilst it was very swervey and out of left field I really felt it had something fun that would have got people's attention. Jubs and Darkie however thought different and we never got to see it. I think though that was the only time in the whole time I was booking anything that I had an idea pretty much flat turned down as "not good" so I can't complain.

 

Actually I found a thread on the booking forum about the idea we had to have Lucian turn heel, get himself a little stable of people and go through each belt, winning it and giving it to another team mate until he won the big one. I think Disser had to leave in the end or something before it happened. It should have been amazing...

 

What was the worst idea you ever came up with?

 

There's been some humdingers. The Blood Alliance didn't work as I'd hoped, I don't think it was awful but in the end I think the execution of it didn't allow it to grow. Again I won;t say Josh Gavin winning the rumble was a bad idea, it was one that just didn't work out. Actually the worst idea I ever had was allowing Wayne to write the rumble. Hands down I allowed my general feeling of wanting to allow people to have a chance to prove themselves cloud the sensible part of me that should have just said no.

 

What matches do you wish you been able to book?

 

I'd like to have booked more J-rock matches in general, I think I only really scratched the surface with the things we could have done. I'd have liked a few more women to have appeared and been able to really have a lot more choices for feuds with that division. I'd really have liked to have had Disser as a world champ and it just never really happened at the right time.

 

Who was your favourite person to book?

 

There's quite a few. Gringo never let me down match wise. Jubs was easily the easiest person to work with. Darkstar always helped drive his angles. J-rock was always perfect at playing his character so it was easy to get his angle working right. I liked Rudie and Zero and wish both had been around more. There's a few guys I think could have been great if they had been more committed like Dangerous Dan Jackson and Apollo Chambers. I like the original Joseph Helms before Ciaran rather lost sight of the character. Boyo, when you can steer him onto the concept, is great fun and can take an angle to places you weren't intending. Twigs was great as well. Recently I have to say Eddie was a bit of a star with Bison. I feel like I'm missing people out..

 

Who was your lest favourite to book?

 

Do I need to answer? Only one person ever made me feel like I wanted to quit the fed. Even Wayne who was the most irritating person to book at least made me feel like he understood the way things worked, he just couldn't ever get a match done in time! DC and I butted heads a few times but even then I felt like it was just because of a clash of ideas or outcomes. Overall though the number of d*cks in the fed is incredibly low compared the those who really got stuck in and made it work.

 

Biggest regret or missed opportunity?

 

Probably that I opened my mouth a lot when I could have got a better result by just waiting and letting people find out why I felt strongly about things. It;s just my nature, anything I build I feel immensely invested in so when people deliberately or accidentally screw with it it ends up feeling very personal. In the end I wanted the best for the fed and the writers, I always pushed new guys and tried to give opportunities to people whenever possible. I know I never didn't give people opportunities even if I didn't like them, I never f*cked with people's booking for sh*ts and giggles but I think a lot of that side of my booking got overshadowed by grumpy Megz. It makes me a little sad that my good intentions and ideas are likely never really going to be remembered well just because I had a penchant for shouting.

Okay, right, stick with me through this first bit. I want to offer a bit of context to me joining the booking team so you can fully appreciate what I was working with, ya gets me? I joined TWOstars way back in June 2008 and was made head trainer in November of the same year. About 12 months later I was brought into the fold as the Tag booker and very quickly got rid of the belts (I'm still sorry about that PTP) due to a lack of (potential) teams. I'm not exactly sure what I did until 'Nova VI - maybe the TV title actually? I definitely remember there being real numbers problems in that division as well - when I became head booker. For a year I ran things until just after 'Nova VII when I stepped down and left the fed completely.

 

As a booker I worked primarily with Darky, Megs (although during most of my run he was in charge of the Women's division) and Deaders. I came into the role having been shaped most by the freedom that Darkstar offered me during my initial major push in late 2008 when Samson made Sickness tap, and by the thrill I got from planning out an initially month-long filler feud for a young Lucian Jones and turning it into a 3 month career maker (all credit does NOT go to me - the collaboration in both examples went a huge way to how I approached everything after that). I came into the role wanting to offer writers as much freedom as possible, but knowing in my heart how impossible that was going to be. I wanted everyone to have a story and an angle so that it didn't matter if you had a belt or not, cause you were having fun either way. I was thorough and open to change but had high standards and demanded ideas to be justified. People seemed to react well to the style and I seemed to encourage good work out of a lot of people in return.

 

EDIT: I spent a chunk of time booking TV matches that had dusty finishes of one sort of another cause I appreciated the effort that had to go into any sort of match writing. Seriously, I booked interferences, DQs and weapon beatdowns left, right and centre. It was an attempt to keep things manageable but who knows how that worked out. Just suddenly remembered, ha!

 

What was your favourite angle you booked?

 

I joined very late into the Consortium angle so can't take much credit for that unfortunately. And I didn't really book the rise of CVD/Jones either... so can't take a stake in that.

Hmm...

I LOVE the Lucian Jones/ Ed Samson feud. That three months is some of my favourite writing I ever compiled and I felt so happy to have really brought someone into the fed and made them comfortable and given them room to just run with the ball (again, dsr could - and I'm sure WOULD - have done it with anyone, but it happened to be me and I know I consciously tried to involve and put him over as much as possible). The lynching, the hotel room brawl, the Road to Redemption and the Jonestown Street Fight - aaaaaaaargh, what magnificent fun that was.

 

I seem to remember really liking Iagan and Jason Bell's chemistry together. We pushed the idea of hardcore VS pure wrestling and, definitely from the booking threads I've been looking back over, I really like what I see but I honestly can't remember how it was in execution. Dodo was a weird guy to work with - if Jayfunk has any thoughts on it then I'd love to hear from him? I might go re-read a 3 wishes match I booked where Bell's last wish was a proposal to then girlfriend and manager Portia. It was such a cheesy idea but I remember coming off pretty darn well.

 

There was an uber complicated tournament that I created a couple years back between Team CVD VS Team JRock where both men had been co-ERE champ for some time (CVD going MENTAL cause he was sharing the only limelight he had left since losing the Triple Crown at 'Nova and Rocky being his usual selfish self). Each man got to pick members of a team that then had to earn spots for a potential war games style PPV match where, once the opposing team was eliminated, you fought your team mates to the bitter end.

Sound complicated and convoluted? IT WAS

The match ended up being Rockefeller, Samson, Twiggie & Roko VS CVD, DC & Deadman.

The idea was cool cause although the heels didn't want faces on their team, it was in their interest to recruit people who could win them spots for the PPV match to create a handicap against the other team. DC/DM had been feuding for some time, Samson was at that point under Rocky's thumb and Twiggie and Roko were two of the biggest good guys in the company.

Everyone promo'd all month and made sure to play up their parts and the various dynamics that existed across the teams and amongst them. It came to the end and I couldn't believe how great everybody had been.

Plus I got to make Twiggie ERE champion which was grand by me cause I'm a huge massive Twiggie mark.

 

ANGEL's Triple Crown win was a brave move and one I think solved the problem of who could possibly topple Lucian?! He'd been champ for 8 months or so and appeared invincible. How do you overcome that? By having the ex-wife of the challenger step in on the last show of the year. Although arguably the decision opened up problems of how to get the belt off of her I was happy we made the decision and am pretty damn proud that we gave the women that kind of credit because they were real show stoppers.

 

I seem to remember liking the idea of running The Chav's purposeful losing streak (partly inspired by an idea Hancock pitched me about a Bullingdon Club style tag team between Rockefeller and Rush if the two ever got to work together) but the execution always felt a little off and nobody ever got quite as behind it as I'd hoped.

 

ANGUS' RETURN AGAINST DEADMAN OUT OF THE COFFIN!!

A shame that ZERO basically disappeared right after that but f*ck me was that amazing. Generally actually I quite liked D-man's bodybagging as a quick trick of getting rid of loose ends.

 

EDIT: We booked the last show of one year (2009?) where every match ended in a low blow because we thought it was a super stupid and fun idea. That makes me laugh to think about. How funny it'd be as each match went up and the readers realised that each result looked really familiar... Such silliness.

 

What was your favourite idea that never got the green light?

 

The only really big idea I remember was a pitch Maxx made about the Se7en faction which would be a real nasty evil heel group somehow embodying the deadly sins. It seemed like a great idea and unfortunately due to a lack of numbers it was always impossible.

 

I never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never got to book the perfect end to a cage match!!!! Needed a manager to make it work. A VS B w/C set up. A is climbing up cage to escape when suddenly C gets hold of control panel and starts raising the cage. A is trapped, gripping on for dear life as B slowly recovers and simply walks out. It is so heelish and evil and I'm so frustrated I never made it happen. Always had Angus and Famous in mind for it.

 

There was a very short period of time when Chambers came back and I was going to build the TV title around him. Sparrow didn't stick it though, but for a very short while I booked that character like a wee monster.

 

What was the worst idea you ever came up with?

 

Jeez louise, there's different things - especially about Edward - that I look back on and groan. Trying to push Edward as a silent face was met with mixed to negative reactions (people didn't like Edward as a face, they liked him when he was opposite JRock). There are times I booked Edward to win things (his second TC title, the MitB briefcase, the BR) and it was always because there was some quick loss following it and I worried about how people feel about being used as a stepping stone (ZERO left so I took it to give away as quickly as possible during Consortium angle, cashed it in the same night against CVD and he beat me after thrilling match with Gringo, was only person to not go to 'Nova cause title shot was moved to PPV before and lost anyway to set up DM VS Gringo). I was always very conscious that people might see it as self-glorification and I hope it never really came over as such.

 

I know a lot of people were very disappointed when we teased Kyle Gilmore turning heel and then bluffing him back to face. I think that was my decision and I guess I just misread what the fed wanted. It might have been a numbers problem - so often with face/heel turns it was.

 

dsr and I had talked about, for 'Nova VII, the idea of Lucian going from ending the previous year as TC champion to being the curtain jerker and not even getting an end to his match (it was interrupted by the fighting females). It seemed like an interesting idea but people really hated the non-match ending and thought it was a terrible decision to have Lucian starting the show.

 

What matches do you wish you'd been able to book?

 

I dunno about specifics but there are writers I wish had stuck around more. Hancock was great and, selfishly, wished had stuck around during our little back and forth (although, to tip my cap, there were people who didn't realise Johnny had stopped writing my end of things was so good ;)). Generally though he was great and had a lot of potential to do some amazing things.

 

ZERO, ZERO, ZERO, ZERO. My heart breaks constantly. He was and is one of my favourite writers and he just couldn't find the motivation to come back full time. I probably bullied him into a return he never wanted which somewhat damaged the character, but I will go down now as saying Angus McDonald is one of the greatest characters the fed ever had. He never got to his full potential but fortunately is remembered fondly for his antics with Roko and the incredible end to 'Nova V with the MitB cash in.

 

I would have liked to work with The Judge (Rog?) a bit but he disappeared almost literally as I arrived. He was at the height of his push and disappeared unfortunately and due to some storyline trickery we were gonna be tied together for a lifetime but... unfortunately... it never came to be.

 

OH! Actually, I dunno if Craig'll remember this but I desperately reached out to A.C. of Acid Christ fame to return for a 'Nova match ala Ricky Steamboat and Chris Jericho. He seemed up for it but disappeared as quickly as the deal was sealed so Craig got eliminated from the Battle Royale by the former champ for nothing and went on to fight Sickness for the MitB briefcase at that 'Nova. So I wish that'd happened.

 

Was always sad that Reno didn't stick about more. Helms and Eddie were all set up to hate each other and the Tonkatsuman character was a stroke of genius!

 

I said it before but I'm very sad I never got to properly work with Nimf. I was never super focused on my female character and she never really stepped my domain while I was a part of it, but she was a bright spot in the company and everything she touched seemed to sparkle.

 

Who was your favourite person to book?

 

I didn't have many problems with anyone. dsr was a dream and gave me a consistently great head character which the company had been sorely lacking for a long time before that. He was the cornerstone that I got to build the entire company around and stability came with him.

 

Andrew was game for anything, comfortable enough in his position as an 'old timer' to be messed around and rising to any challenge put in front of him. He wasn't precious about the ERE title, instead happy to offer thoughtful feedback when necessary.

 

Wayne and I generally got on pretty well. Although he was incessant with requests and ideas we worked together and produced a pretty good run for his character I think (although the Cancer stuff and punt was definitely him).

 

Hancock was great at thinking outside the box in a way that I don't think I generally can (Megs is from the same cloth). I tell quite simple effective wrestling stories but these guys are interested in Nabakovian style tales with layers and ideas and metaphors and underlying themes and more. It's a skill I just didn't really have but hearing that kind of thinking out loud was often refreshing and stimulating.

 

Rudie was a wee gem to book. He seemed to really listen to ideas and would go away and think about them. Then suddenly he's the one coming to you with ideas. Then the next time those ideas are actually sorta' useable. Then the next time you're having to rebook shows because Rudie's plans have shaken you to your very core. He grew with the fed, he got measurably better and his confidence flourished with it. He is our Jeff Hardy and we're lucky to have had him.

 

Twiggie (again) was f*cking great. Let me use his character in a thrilling twist in my Sickness feud, then bounced along happily to anything I asked from him on his return. Was a great Ex-Rev champ and delivered one of my favourite matches ever in the BYOWeapon handicap tag from 'Nova VI.

 

Darky is Darky and Darky is great. It's almost a waste to say but that man was so happy to be slotted in wherever I needed him. His ego doesn't exist and since my start with the fed he has bent over backwards to help him in anyway I needed. He also put up with a lot of eFed texts back in the day, ha!

 

Who was your least favourite person to book?

 

Okay, so I've got a few people who I didn't enjoy booking too much.

 

One is ZERO. As much as I love the character and his writing, unfortunately he'd promise me he would return and then back out at the last minute which caused problems with long term planning.

 

I have always struggled with B-Man. He had carved out his legendary status by the time I joined but during my time as a writer he was never anything special and as a part of the booking team he came across as unapproachable and negative. When the roles were reversed he repeatedly quit the fed in a huff and would often complain about not getting deserved respect even though he hadn't, for a long time, done anything to deserve it. He would bring negative attitudes into threads claiming it was the overall feeling of the group when the rest of the roster were being positive and generally seemed unenthused by the fed. He seemed to take it seriously in the bad sort of way and, yeah, sorry but I just never really got anything out of working with him. HOWEVER I barely did work with him and certainly not in his prime so maybe there's a side to him I don't know about and I'm sure his contributions to the booking squad is far greater than I, on the outside, am aware of. But for me, nah.

 

Sparrow is somebody else who sticks in my teeth. During the run I mentioned (way) above he was fussy about how Chambers was used and what finisher he used. Demanding to use the G2G or not bothering at all, he refused to ask Darky for permission (a policy we've long ran by), telling me to do it instead. Eventually the ok was given and by that point he wanted a roundhouse kick. Suggesting the heavy-set Apollo could instead use ground & pound MMA influences, he was picky and didn't seem impressed by the idea of having an ENTIRE DIVISION built around him. Real bad attitude which disappointed me cause I got on well enough with him outside the fed.

 

Jack Eastwood's handler was terrible. Beating up the tag champs, bloodying one of them and then calling out Draven Cage... what the f*ck?! Yet, STILL, I take a match with him in it and make him look like a million bucks. He didn't get it, he didn't want to get it and he wasn't interested in being a team player. The WORST kind of writer possible.

 

Biggest regret or missed opportunity?

 

I dunno, I've written down so much here. I feel like a chunk of 'Nova VII became about MAKING Deadman VS Gringo happen NO! MATTER! WHAT! So the card felt kind of forced into that rather than occurring naturally in the wild. We got a great match out of it, but just in retrospect it sticks out as being slightly jarring.

 

I'll come back if I think of anything, ha!

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I know a lot of people were very disappointed when we teased Kyle Gilmore turning heel and then bluffing him back to face. I think that was my decision and I guess I just misread what the fed wanted. It might have been a numbers problem - so often with face/heel turns it was.

 

Man, this caused me the biggest split decision I ever had in TWOStars. Part of me agreed with folks when the general consensus was Kyle should've turned on Lucian, which admittedly could've been epic if Def had been around to write for Gilmore properly. Just two best friends airing dirty laundry all over TV could've been great. But then the other part of me refused to let go of the PTP and the "friendship" we'd spend so long building up. I don't want to blow my own trumpet, but I'm super proud of how we took the PTP from a seemingly random pairing of two guys, and turned them into one of the only tag teams to get along all the way through their career (both tag and singles). The only other tag team I can think of that has done the same kind of thing would be the Dark Alliance, with Boyo and Sickness still looking out for each other whenever their paths cross.

 

So yeah, while the idea of Gilmore turning on Jones could've been great, I think the possibility of the pay-off for it not living up to people's expectations is a lot worse than some folks being a bit disgruntled because we kept the PTP as BFFs.

 

dsr and I had talked about, for 'Nova VII, the idea of Lucian going from ending the previous year as TC champion to being the curtain jerker and not even getting an end to his match (it was interrupted by the fighting females). It seemed like an interesting idea but people really hated the non-match ending and thought it was a terrible decision to have Lucian starting the show

 

If I remember rightly, this was when I was asking for Lucian to turn heel (again). It's the only thing I never got chance to do. I'd got 2 ideas, both of which I think would have worked, and the whole "going from headlining to first man out" thing was supposed to tie in with the slow steady decline of Lucian into a bitter, resentful sonuvabitch. Initially I asked for Lucian to turn heel when Gringo returned and beat him clean, during Lucian's title reign. The idea was to drop the title to Angel, have Lucian not able to get over it, have him see Gringo being lined up for all the big matches now he'd returned, and adopt an attitude of "you only let me win things because Gringo wasn't here", which then leads to him selling his soul to the devil (or CVD in this case) to take Gringo out.

 

The big one I ran by Paul and we never got to do was the LEGION gimmick, which is probably very similar to Maxx's Se7en gimmick, but with more Fight Club references thrown in. A mysterious masked man was gonna take Lucian and injure him, then start randomly appearing on shows, interferring in matches, causing trouble, just basically making a nuisance of himself. We have one of the faces stand up to him, only for more people wearing exactly the same gear as the masked man to appear throughout the crowd and storm the ring. They'd reveal their name is "LEGION, for we are many" and then spend a few weeks just having LEGION run roughshod over people.

 

Eventually we'd reveal Lucian as the main masked man, or "Mouth of LEGION" then we'd reveal more people, someone like Samson would be "Fist of LEGION", someone like Rockefeller for "Mind of LEGION" and there'd be Heart of LEGION, Shield of LEGION and so on.

 

Where the sneaky bit came into play was that Paul and I (and Kam I think) had agreed that I could start a fake account and pretend to be bringing LEGION in as an entirely new character, put him through training, post on the boards in other threads as my alt account (including holding an argument with dsrchris and my alt account to throw you all off) and just generally make up a whole persona to create a character for TWOStars.

 

I'm so gutted I didn't get to do that. As I remember rightly, Gringo got the heel turn instead, so all the little bits of groundwork I laid with Lucian getting frustrated kinda came to nothing in the end. *sigh*

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I texted JJ this while I was out of the house, just in case I forgot about it before getting back, as I love it. Which means Megz will hate it.

 

 

We've been talking about turning Jones heel abd having him fued with a face Gringo as Jones feels he hasnt gotten the same respect from the fans now their hero Gringo is back. Now what if this makes Lucian really want revenge on the fans as well as Gringo?

 

We have Lucian win the TV belt, then he refuses to defend it and just hides (or even destroys) the damned thing. Then does the same with the US belt. Then he TRIES to go for the TC in the same way (I'd consider having him manage it late in the story).

 

He, obviously, gets stripped of the championships but refuses to return the belts and says hes the REAL champion, the rest are just imitations.

Then whenever the new belts are being contested Jones ruins matches deliberatly. Run ins, beatdowns backstage so people cant make it to the ring, that kind of thing. Maybe if he's involved in the said matches he just walks out or gets himself DQed to make sure the fans dont get any entertainment form the belt holders as he wont recognise them.

 

Maybe this destructive, nihilistic streak gathers him a small gang of people who want to see him succeed in ruining the fed for whatever reason. Shit, who wouldnt love Cari turning from girly pink face to gothic heel for a few months?

 

Maybe it would be a good lead into next years Survivor Series style match. Team TWO (as normal, lol) Vs Team grunge.

 

I love it, I honest to God love it.

 

That's the post for Lucian' heel turn by Darkie.

 

I think I remember there being a "discussion" about the grino heel turn and how it effectively killed this whole angle. If I remember I fought passionately for Lucian to turn instead, I even made him a heel tron! :D

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Post by Megz on Jan 31, 2010 at 8:50pm

 

That would be great as I think Eagles would benefit from being in something with two good writers to maybe motivate him a bit more. He was overshadowed by DSRChris's ability really...

 

Just like to say I called Disser's talent 4 freaking years ago, man! :D

 

The proposed angle was with Drake and Randy Roko by the way, can't remember if we actually did book it though.

I mean, by the time you made that comment he'd become longest reigning tag champ ever so I don't think you were exactly ahead of the curve :P.

 

I think what always stopped Jones turning was the lack of a replacement. And because Jones was so good as a face. Roko turning heel also got in the way I'd imagine - messing up the roster balance - and that was something Rudie had wanted to do for years & years at the time.

 

When the hell did Gringo turn heel? That must've been after I was gone?

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One for Maxxy, before we were friends I was still pushing for you baby! :D

 

 

Post by Omega on Mar 4, 2009 at 10:05am

 

Just wondering what ideas you guys have got if he returns?

 

I for one would either have him return as face and team up with Lucian Jones or come back as heel and have Randy Roko turn heel and join up as Twisted V.2

Maxx was another guy who I was gonna build the TV title round :(. Him carrying it round in the black bag was awesome. Just real life. So much real life.
Roko turning heel was my least favourite thing in the whole of TWOstars. Rudie and I had many sulky, pouty, angry talks about it to be honest, and we still do!!! It was incredibly hard for us both to write such negative things between Cari and Roko. Sounds silly writing it down but there we go lol!!

I turned heel after losing the Unification match against Deadman and winning the TV title from Gower by attacking Cari Dee and then by stopping being the Gringo. Then real llife got in the way, Nimf had to carry the feud and then TWOStars as it was then died.

 

Edit: The Cari beat down was XTV 7:09 and the speech to cement the turn was 7:10 in August 2012.

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I will try and get a look at this at some stage.

 

Apologies to JobberJoe though and anyone else for that matter if I came across as difficult. I purely put it down to a lack of motivaton and not adapting to changes in the e-fed and real life as well as I could have.

 

When I first started in the Ex-Rev I loved writing stuff and through time it just felt like nothingness which is a real shame cause when you get in to it I dunno about the rest of you, but it's awesome!

Just like to say I called Disser's talent 4 freaking years ago, man! :D

 

The proposed angle was with Drake and Randy Roko by the way, can't remember if we actually did book it though.

 

I do remember having a feud with Drake at some point, Cari was involved though so not sure if Eagles was there or not.

 

I think what always stopped Jones turning was the lack of a replacement. And because Jones was so good as a face. Roko turning heel also got in the way I'd imagine - messing up the roster balance - and that was something Rudie had wanted to do for years & years at the time.

 

Roko turning heel was my least favourite thing in the whole of TWOstars. Rudie and I had many sulky, pouty, angry talks about it to be honest, and we still do!!! It was incredibly hard for us both to write such negative things between Cari and Roko. Sounds silly writing it down but there we go lol!!

 

I really really do genuinely want to go back in time and slap myself for the heel turn. Especially now I know that it messed up the potential for Jones turning, so I'm sorry for that. At the time, I'd always wanted to try going heel cause' I thought it would be really awesome and I thought I could work with it, but then when I got to it (which by the way I do need to thank the bookers for allowing me to do it even though it messed up the balance, shows just how much care the booking team gave to each individual writer) I realized that I enjoyed being face ten times more. It's probably my biggest regret in my time here. So I apologize for that and any plans that it got in the way of and stuff!

 

And thanks for the kind words JJ! :D

I seem to remember really liking Iagan and Jason Bell's chemistry together. We pushed the idea of hardcore VS pure wrestling and, definitely from the booking threads I've been looking back over, I really like what I see but I honestly can't remember how it was in execution. Dodo was a weird guy to work with - if Jayfunk has any thoughts on it then I'd love to hear from him? I might go re-read a 3 wishes match I booked where Bell's last wish was a proposal to then girlfriend and manager Portia. It was such a cheesy idea but I remember coming off pretty darn well.

 

 

That was fun to write, I remember it well, i think my best promo work came from that with the search for Iagan skits scooby doo like

I forgot about the hunt for Iagan completely. They were some really good segments actually!
That was fun to write, I remember it well, i think my best promo work came from that with the search for Iagan skits scooby doo like

 

Yeah, good, that makes me happy to hear you have fond memories of it too :). I seem to remember you trying really hard to battle against the criticism of stilted dialogue! It was a feud I'd completely forgotten about but really found myself grinning ear to ear at uncovering it looking back. It's the wee happy memories.

 

Edit: The Cari beat down was XTV 7:09 and the speech to cement the turn was 7:10 in August 2012.

 

I'll definitely go chase this down outta' interest. Poor Cari :(. So much hurt, she just wants to love!

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