The Deal

[Guest The Gang]

The Deal - Brought To You By “The Lets **** ‘Em Off Gang”

 

 

Well Hello and how’s it going my fellow T.W.O buddies? If your answer is good, then it’s about to get a whole lot better, if the answer is not so good, then ALSO prepare for it to get better. Remember, turn that frown upside down. On the other hand, all hell could be about to break loose, but feel free to join the ride.

So, rumour has it that certain users are trying to cause trouble for this little place, but why would anyone want to do that? Well, I’m sure that many of you can think of at least one answer, but the again what’s the better you’re not brave enough to put forward your point of view? Although, that’s ok, because I’m going to cut straight to the chase. This is our deal:

 

“Once upon a time, not so long ago, there lived a little website named T.W.O.

This place used to be pretty neat and quite a lot of fun, until things all went to pot, and then the trouble begun.

The great o’powerful leader, who went by the name of Kam, employed a gang of mod friends to give helping hand.

Now go forward a couple of years and things were going great, but if you lot don’t speak up soon we fear it will be too late!”

 

Ok, We’ll stop with that, you catch my drift. Now a couple of years ago everything was so calm, so why has this place turned to crap which pretty much resembles a farm?

 

Alright, We’ll tell you:

 

In the time that we've been here, we have been treated in extremely different ways. Some times we are treated well, sometimes we are made to look like fools in front of everyone else. There are obviously people who are attention seeking, but the majority of the time it isn't us 'little children', its the supposedly 'grown-up' mods, who come in when they're drunk and starting throwing their weight around. Random kicking’s, stealing icons, basically making themselves centre of attention in order to show off their power.

 

Now we know that the bigger part of the mod group are not like this, people such as Dan, Sabba, Simon, Grapp, Hos, and many others, but the rest of you treat us like four-year olds who don't know the difference between a computer and a banana. We know that you're going to think even less of us now that we've done this, but we find it unfair how the people that progress further up the TWO Ladder, are the people that kiss the ass of anyone who's name is in blue, or red as some people try to show off further. If you go on to read Draven’s signature, it explains an awful lot, which is exactly the truth.

 

Some people go up the fair way, putting in lots of hard work to get to mod status, but in some ways, everyone kisses up to Kam, Russ, MWNN, HSM, and for the main reason that they want to be liked by them. Why not go on to chat to some new users who are just as good as the mods except they do not have their names written in blue and do not have the power to kick others out, possibly for no reason at all. You could even go on to try and talk to some of the regular users, if you can get past the general arrogance that many of them like to uphold as they believe they rule the chatroom.

 

Don’t get us wrong, for the main part the users who go in chat are all good people, minus the backstabbing, but some of you have your heads so far up your own asses or up the mods asses that we are quite surprised you can even gain a point of view or perspective due to the amount of crap which is up there as well. May we remind you that mods are there to look after the room, they hold no form of special power around them, apart from kicking and banning. The mods do a good job, there's no doubting that, but it’s the way some of them act. They drag up personal issues that have no place in a wrestling chatroom, and make the entire room hear about it, before mouthing off in the forums as well.

 

Have you ever heard of a thing called a clique? If not here’s a definition: A small exclusive group of friends or associates. Want to know a fact? TWO is FULL of cliques, very exclusive cliques. Let me explain: In the chat there are a variety of cliques, some welcoming and some not and this has made the place, well, go to pot in a sense. Mods are a clique, which is pretty reasonable, but there are also other chatters i.e. brown nosers who get involved in the chat and welcomed, but and this is a big one OTHERS DO NOT. So let’s get this straight, if you’re not in with the cliques, don’t bother going to the chat, as you’ll be made fun of from day one. You can’t do anything right when you’re not in a clique, and that’s only a small portion of what’s crap about TWO at the moment.

 

Another big thing is the “bitching” in TWO. Everyone is making comments about everyone else. We can tell you for a fact people talk about many other members, as we’ve sat there and have had to defend the people. Mods can’t be free of this complaint, many a time we have seen them moan and whine and laugh at chat members when they’re not there, even though there supposed to be watching over the chat, not judging people. We are not saying that the mods should not be allowed to join in on this, but should it not be kept out of the chatroom? You can sit in TWO and listen to everyone slag off everyone else, and even without naming names, the entirety of the people there no who is being spoken about due to the vast amounts of gossip which is also spread. Thus leading onto people judging others even more. If the business has nothing to do with you, then why stick your nose in? You will only ever understand one side of the story, if even that. So why go around intent on causing trouble for other people, or upsetting them, hurting them, abusing them in one way or another.

 

It’s people like this that are making TWO the place it is at the moment. By all means, take it up on MSN, but for the majority, we would imagine that nobody actually cares. Gossip will always be spread around a place like this, but for the main part, this gossip isn’t the sort of stuff that should be being said, and even talked about. People’s personal lives are in the way of how they act on TWO. Anything that happens on msn or yahoo messaging or email SHOULD NOT be carried on in the chat, but it is, and it causes many arguments and upset. You don’t have to believe us, but we think you should, as we could make the place a whole lot better. Infact, we think that the majority of you also understand what we are saying, and know that we are correct as well, but could possibly be a little scared of change?

 

All you have to do is go on the forums to see that TWO is falling apart, there has even been a thread started in general chat by which you are all saying what you hate, and what is bothering you. Ok, no offence, but surely this isn’t the sort of thing that people should be talking about. There once was a time when nothing like this was needed because TWO was a “happy” place, why not try listening to Pabster and his ‘Happy Happy Happy’ speech. To be honest, Pabster has it spot on. Perhaps if some of you tried to chill out, and calm down then TWO would be a better place. If you go onto chat and Pabster is there, he will greet everyone with the same message “Welcome to the TalkWrestlingOnline chatrooms, I hope you enjoy your stay.” That’s right, he greets EVERYONE and will generally continue speaking to them as well if they talk to him; but what about the rest of you? Possibly a quick hello and then back into the chatting again, not even inviting the people who have just entered into the conversation. Have you ever gone in chat under a different user name and tried to get involved in the conversation? It’s very difficult if you are not known in there. Those of you who are members of the forums will recall posting and welcoming new members onto these boards when they join, generally saying “Welcome, Hello, Hope you have fun, I will look forward to reading your posts” etc. etc. But that doesn’t happen in chat, so what’s the difference? Why not try and make some more effort, you never know, you might surprise yourselves!

 

The way that TWO is heading right now, doesn’t look too good. You can sit there and deny it, but not only are you loosing mods you are also loosing regular chatters, forums users, etc. and much of this is because of the reasons state here. So what we are asking is for you to take the time to read this, NOT delete it. Let others, if they are brave enough, to post their views on what is wrong with TWO and how to improve it, and then go forth and DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT!!!! That’s the issue, this can be said, and what’s the betting nothing is done? Well if it continues, then we are sorry to say, but TWO is going to go downhill even quicker than it is right now. So read this over again, and take some time to think!

 

Thank you for reading.

[Chris2K 176]

Could this possibly become the most flamed post ever in TWO.....which would be a shame considering the majority is unfortunately true.

[Guest The Crippler]

I agree with parts of that and I disagree with parts of that. The bit about cliques, I think most people would agree that I ain't a member of any of these cliques and when I come into the chat I don't get made of fun of. So I think that statement is generally false.

 

All in all, this is a pretty similar thread to the TWO Revolution one. I've stated in that my concerns about the amount of mods but a reason was given for that and I've accepted that.

 

Oh, and before anyone says, I do understand that my views won't really be taken for much as I rarely appear in the chat.

[Guest The Gang]

The Crippler, we understand that it is simular to the revolution thread, but what happened about that? Absolutely nothing! So maybe if things like this keep getting brought up then something might be done. Both of you who have replied to this, have said that you agree with if not the majority of it, at least some of it. So therefore, if these are the issues, why has nothing been done about it??

[Guest ......cjr......]

I agree with everything stated above, TWO is going down and something has to be done about it unless it will go down even more. Anyway i would say that the mojority of people agree with the statments posted by The Gang. Something has to be done or will this be flop of a thread? Who knows?

[Guest Russ]

Woah woah woah, let's just all jump off the Crazy Train here. TWO isn't "going under". I don't know if this is to do with jealousy or bitterness here, but you're going a little bit OTT.

 

Unlike everyone else who has replied to this topic, I don't agree with most of what you have to say.

 

You state people who aren't regulars are made fun of. Have you even been in the chat room. Whenever I'm around, EVERYONE who comes into the chatroom is greeted. Anyone who makes valid points and starts conversations is fine with me, and I find it easy to get on with people who aren't regulars. I'm sure there's some reason for you stating this...

 

Maybe you don't like the fact that TWO has mods. I'm sorry, that's not going to change any time soon. At peak times, there is always a mod in the chatroom. I notice you claim that Kam employed "mod friends". So would you rather have mods that don't get on, and argue with each other? Surely that would be worse than a group of people who want to talk about wrestling.

 

As for the gossip you speak of, that doesn't concern a lot of people here. There's been some incidents lately that have involved people leaving TWO, but I'd love to know that concerns you. If you were expecting everyone at TWO to stay forever, then you're living in a childish dream world, my anonymous friend.

 

As for the clique issue, it's not the plague that many people make it out to be. I do admit, there is a group of people who prefer to talk about things which don't involve wrestling, but what are we to do? Ban them? TWO's chatroom has many rooms, and everyone is welcomed to voice their opinions, be them a 2 year vet or someone visiting for the first time.

 

Like it or not, Kam and MWNN do a superb job with the chatroom. If people come into the chatroom, they will see that for themselves.

 

As I said earlier, I don't think you're quite so selfless. Maybe this is a ploy so you can become a mod? Maybe you're upset because you've not been made a mod/forum leader? If you take off your rose tinted glasses, you'll see TWO is a place that people come to have fun. Every time someone leaves TWO, do we have to stop that fun so that someone who is too afraid to leave his name can have a panic attack?

 

It's a real shame that people are convinced that TWO is dying. I've been here for exactly 2 years, and the site is in better shape than it was back then. It's evolved from a chatroom and forum, into a great little site, with columns, a newsboard, reviews, a newsletter and of course, the excellent forums and chatroom. Just because wrestling is in a decline and a few of your pals left, it doesn't mean TWO is on it's last legs.

 

I've had enough of these pointless "Let's Save TWO!" topics. If you really want to help TWO, I suggest you become more involved in the chatroom and forums. Practice what you preach. Greet newcomers, offer interesting conversations, follow the rules. You'll be doing a lot more for the site than claiming it's in the doldrums.

[Guest Inno]

Yep, I'd pretty much agree about the cliques, and the backstabbing too. I've cut down on how much I come into the chat as the atmosphere in it is pretty depressing most of the time.

 

BUt to blame mods for all the "ignoring" and non-chatting that goes on is a bit OTT. Many's the time I can come in and just sit in the corner and be ignored by the vast majority of people in the room for ages. Maybe I'm just that hated, I don't really know.

 

Blaming one clique for the problems smacks of people being a member of another clique, to me. And why the assumed name? Wouldn't your comments have more weight if you gave your real names? As it is, it seems like another group of people trying to stir up trouble.

 

I await a flaming for my comments.

[Guest The Crippler]

Hmm, right maybe I should clarify what I was talking about.

 

Like I said in that post, my main problem was the amount of moderators around. I felt there was too many. A reason was given to me why more moderators have been "employed" and I left it at that. I do think there are a lot of cliques at TWO but if you go to any other chatroom or forum where there are a lot of regulars then chances are cliques will develop.

 

Like Russ I've been here a pretty long time and I have to agree with him on how far the site has come along. Although I think the chat isn't as good nowadays, all other aspects of the site is much better. There are far more members on the forums than in the old ones, there are far more features on the site and we get a great newsletter sent out to us.

[Guest The Gang]

Why should we give names? You'll only flame us and hate us more.

 

If people could wipe the crap from there eyes they would realise ALL of the things we say are true. You can say you've been at TWO for so long, but that doesn't change nothing. If you saw it the way normal people see it, you'll see a lot more than what you think.

 

Were not saying the mods shouldn't be used, we just want them to treat the normal folk better and stop taking liberties cos everyone is getting just a little bit tired of it.

[Guest Russ]

You speak for everyone then? You emailed everyone on the members list and said "Say, are you tired of Mods doing their jobs? Are you tired of them booting people who misbehave, greeting people who enter the chat and trying to make conversation?".

 

You can only work with what you're given. If the room has 5 people who are only interested in discussing non-wrestling matters, then there's little you can do to change the topic, bar trying to start conversations.

 

I think it's great how you've self appointed yourselves the reps for TWO. However, I suggest that next time you want to draw attention to yourselves, you make a valid point.

 

NEWSFLASH: TWO isn't dead. TWO isn't dying. TWO will only die when people start to believe the utter BS you spout.

[Guest The Gang]

Russ, stop talking crap, you know what you say is total b.s.

 

The mods do not say hello, they often make comments about people, take the michael out of there spelling mistakes and hardly ever start conversations off.

 

The way it's going two WILL die.

[Chris2K 176]

The very slim majority of mods are like that, but there are some that only greet their friends, and only talk to them as well.

[Guest ......cjr......]

If u looked just Inno and Russ only stated there opinins becuase they are mods thats what he is getting at u think u rules this placew with those big posts etc talking alod of b.s basically all becuase your name is in blue u think people have to ablige by wot u say. u seem not to understand the point here. And i had the mic taking out of me cause of my puncutation or grammer something like that so u guys do :P ime not taking sides but The Gang is right here

[Guest Inno]

This post is rapidly going nowhere. CJR, mods are there to enforce the chat rules, so... ah, why am I bothering? Everyone will think what they think no matter what I say, so carry on. Doesn't matter what the mods do, they'll be in the wrong. This has becoem another "unnamed Clique" vs. Mods type of post, despite it's grand efforts to be something otherwise.

[Guest The Gang]

We are NOT against Mods, we just don't like some of the liberties they take. Mods are there to reinforce the rules and kick people who ARE playing up, we accept that. What we don't accept is people kicking for there own personal enjoyment or own grudges.