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Guest Ed_666

What do you think?

 

Here's an interesting piece of information I heard:

 

In the year after they abolished the death penalty, they kept a record of all the murders which would have got the death penalty. The numbers rose by something like 112%!!

 

That means there were MORE THAN TWICE AS MANY murders that year than the year before.

 

Therefore by getting rid of the death penalty, they actually sentenced a lot of innocent people to death.

 

So if it's a case of having the death penalty, or innocent people being murdered, who should get preference to live?

 

Ed

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Originally posted by Ed_666

And what about all the innocent people who will die? Should they not get preference?

 

Ed

 

And what about all the innocent people who would die-- Oh, sorry, I was going to use the same statement about those who're sentanced to death.

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Originally posted by AC1D CHR1ST

And what about all the innocent people who would die-- Oh, sorry, I was going to use the same statement about those who're sentanced to death.

 

So murderers are innocent people too?

 

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Think of it this way, if a murderer is actually given life imprisonment. He can't get out to kill anyone. We just need to make jail sentences tougher.

 

If someone commits murder, they should get life imprisonment. But life is only 20 years, so I say they shold actually get LIFE, because 20 years is not life, is it?

 

I do think that in extreme cases, people sould be given the death penalty. If you get a mass murderer, who's brutaly murdered a hundred people. He should die like the rest of them.

 

The whole issue of the death penalty is very much constant and ongoing. But I don't think we'll ever see it return. Unless of course the British National Party get in power :D

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Originally posted by Meteora

If someone commits murder, they should get life imprisonment. But life is only 20 years, so I say they shold actually get LIFE, because 20 years is not life, is it?

 

I thought the life imprisonment was 40 years? :?

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Originally posted by Ed_666

So murderers are innocent people too?

 

Ed

 

I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you're not be faecetious in that statement.

 

So...

 

If you read what I wrote properly it says "those who're sentanced to death", not murderers. Of course, no innocent people have everbeen sentanced to death have they?

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I think what Acid was trying to say Ed, and it's what I was going to say as well, is that when people who are innocent of crimes are wrongly sentenced to the death penalty, you can't overturn a wrongful conviction and give someone back their freedom if they are dead. Murderers, of course, aren't innocent people, but sometimes innocent people are wrongfully convicted, and rather than suffering a bit of time in prison these people would have no way back from their conviction.

 

Personally I think that in an ideal world where no-one was ever wrongfully convicted and the murderers were always caught then I think the death penalty would maybe be appropriate. However, I don't think that is the case and frankly considering some of the decisions that judges have made over the years the idea of an innocent person being tried for a murder they didn't commit up against a judge who could be from the same school of thought as the judge who fell asleep in the middle of a trial, or the guy who thought someone looking up pornographic pictures of children on the internet did it out of boredom and was not a pervert, does not give me any confidence whatsoever that the innocent will always be found not guilty, or for that matter that the guilty will be found to be guilty in court.

 

I'm not trying to go all PC and human rights here, it's just that in this particular case I think there is an alternative solution, which is why I don't support the death penalty. The solution: make the sentences given in court harsher and make them mean what they are actually supposed to mean. If someone is sentenced to life imprisonment, make it life. If it's eight years for something else make it eight years, not two. It's that simple. I can't fathom why one thing is said in court, other than to make it sound good to make us supposedly think the system works, and yet the actual sentence is probably not even going to be a third of what was meant to have been given in court. If sentences meant what they said then there would be less crime is what I think. The problem is that if a paedophile, for instance, hears they could get a punishment of whatever it is, they'll still do it because they know that even if they get the maximum sentence possible they'll be back to normal in no time.

 

Make the punishment fit the crime, as they say. Until they do that and that fails, I see no reason to bring back the death penalty right now.

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Originally posted by Meteora

Think of it this way, if a murderer is actually given life imprisonment. He can't get out to kill anyone. We just need to make jail sentences tougher.

 

If someone commits murder, they should get life imprisonment. But life is only 20 years, so I say they shold actually get LIFE, because 20 years is not life, is it?

 

Also, unless there are special circumstances, a lot of murderers would get out early for good behaviour etc, meaning it's not even 20 years.

 

Another point is, if we DID make life mean life, it would cost thousands of pounds a year to keep them, which would be a huge drain on society. And why bother paying out all that money when they're never going to be released anyway? It's not like you'd be rehabilitating them.

 

 

Originally posted by Meteora

I do think that in extreme cases, people sould be given the death penalty. If you get a mass murderer, who's brutaly murdered a hundred people. He should die like the rest of them.

 

But where would you draw the line? Is someone who kills 2 people worse than someone who kills 1? How about someone who kills 5?

 

How about someone who kills kids? Are they worse?

 

Originally posted by Meteora

The whole issue of the death penalty is very much constant and ongoing. But I don't think we'll ever see it return. Unless of course the British National Party get in power :D

 

And people wonder why the BNP are the 2nd largest party on Burnley council? Seems they're the only ones with any sense on certain issues.

 

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In reply to the people who suggested the wrong people would be sentenced to death, that's a very rare occurance, and almost all the incidents were many years ago before things like DNA evidence and so on came in.

 

Nowadays it's possible to prove without any doubt that someone did it.

 

Another main point is by NOT having the death penalty, a lot more people are murdered. That was shown the year after they got rid of it.

 

If you could halve the murder rate (thus saving hundreds of lives) by having the death penalty for the murderers who still do it, wouldn't that be better?

 

At the moment, one lot of people WILL die. It's either some murderers, or their victims. Which do you think is more right?

 

Ed

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Originally posted by Cactus Jack

I think "life" is 25 years?

 

From what i know, a life sentence is only for 25 years here in the UK. However in some countries when they say life, they mean life. and that is whats wrong with our legal system. No we shouldnt bring back the death penalty, we should just get tougher with prison sentences and not make life so easy for criminals. It seems that the british justice system treats criminals as victims rather than the people they hurt.

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