Best Final Fantasy Villain

[Guest Nikkolas]

Main villains only. So, sorry, Ultros is out. :)

 

Kuja wins hands--down. Great character, truly powerful and with some of the best quotes in the series, he is only rivaled by Kefka. They cancel each other out: Kefka ruled the world and slowlya nd sadistically exterminated everything from lives to hope but lacked totally in character. Kuja was very in-depth with motivations nad psyche defined more and more over the game. Each man committed huge atrocities and both laughed as they did so. Truly a great duo.

[DC 536]

Sephiroth > than all the others.

[Paul 584]

I have to agree with DC, Sephiroth is the greatest villain from the FF series by a long shot! The guy is evil, twisted and a just plain mind screw on Cloud.

[Guest Nikkolas]

You obviously do not know much about Kefka. You want evil? How about a guy who enslaved an entire race and drained them of their powers? A guy who poisoned an entire castle's worth of beings who all died? A guy who ended up ruling the world and was vaporizing towns and hundreds of people left and right? He could ahve destroyed the world if he wanted but he wanted to make the people suffer...to abandon all hope before he did so.

 

"Life. Dreams. Hope. Where did they come from and where are they headed? These things I will destroy!" -Kefka

 

And don't even get me started on Kuja...Possibly worse because he was completely sane most of the game yet still loved the murder and destruction he caused. This would include murdering the only mother the heroine of the game had ever known and creating the entire race of Black Mages as tools of warfare and death. Then destroying a planet at the end before moving on to trying to eradicate all of existence.

[Paul 584]

You obviously do not know much about Kefka.

 

Oh dear, are you one of the 'you dont agree with me therefore you dont know everything' crowd?

[Guest Nikkolas]

No. But I've been an FF fan for about 5 years now and have been on at least 10 Final Fantasy forums. It is very common from what I've seen that people who say Sephiroth is that evil do not know who Kefka is or what he did. Because last time I checked, wiping out cities and enslaving a race of beings and keeping the world alive only long enough to make sure the will to live is absolutely destroyed is a tad more evil than killing a flower girl and summoning a giant rock.

[Guest Anime Otaku]

I'm gonna go for Sin, I know people will disagree but I think Sin was great because, unlike Sephiroth or the woman from FF8, Sin was felt throuout the game even when it wasn't nearby where as Sephiroth was really only felt when he was actually around.

[Guest MojoPogo]

Sephiroth. Because he's wasnt one of those pantomime villains, yep, he was bad, but he had just enough redeeming qualities to make believe in his misguided quest and care. As opposed to going "meh, the bad guy's dead, whoop de doo". Plus he was responsible for the greatest cutscene in the history of games (in my opinion)......

[Guest JC]

Sephiroth is just an awesome bad guy; you almost want to side with him he's that convincing.

 

Of course the biggest credit is that for the majority of the game Sephiroth has blocks for hands...Blocks..now that's hardcore!

 

 

Sin was a pretty good enemy in terms of originality, made great cut-scenes and it was able to blend alot of the characters into the same rhythm.

 

But who's the best 'Hero' of the final fantasy series?!

[Guest Bluestiger99]

Its a close race between Sephiroth and Kefka, but I'm going to say Sephiroth comes out on top. Kefka was dark and twisted no doubt about it, but Sephiroth just had something that made him seem worse. I don't know if it was his absolute belief in what he was doing, or because he was just so cold and calculating through it all.

[Red05 343]

Plus he was responsible for the greatest cutscene in the history of games (in my opinion)......

 

Which scene was that?

 

I'd have to say Seppy too. I've not played them all, but he was evil and looked cool too. Caught my eye.

[Guest Wolverine]

I presume that he means this one.

 

As for the original question, I agree with Kuja.

[Guest Rog]

Sephiroth hands down. To this day they still cant recreate the sheer magnitude of his character for the main villian. Kuja was just a watered down Sephiroth.

[DC 536]

No. But I've been an FF fan for about 5 years now and have been on at least 10 Final Fantasy forums.

I first played a Final Fantasy game in 1994, which was twelve years ago. Does that mean my opinion is more valid than yours? You asked people who they thought was the best villain of the series, so they can't be wrong.

It is very common from what I've seen that people who say Sephiroth is that evil do not know who Kefka is or what he did.

If they don't know who he is, then how can they say he is better than Sephiroth? They have nothing to compare him too. You didn't really think about that one, did you? Darkstar pegged you right. "If you don't agree with me, then you don't really know what you are talking about" is exactly what you are saying in your posts.

[Guest Bluestiger99]

No. But I've been an FF fan for about 5 years now and have been on at least 10 Final Fantasy forums. It is very common from what I've seen that people who say Sephiroth is that evil do not know who Kefka is or what he did. Because last time I checked, wiping out cities and enslaving a race of beings and keeping the world alive only long enough to make sure the will to live is absolutely destroyed is a tad more evil than killing a flower girl and summoning a giant rock.

 

So, just because you've been on 10 Final Fantasy forums makes your opinion more valid? Come off it man. The beauty of forums is it allows people to state their opinions. I've played every game in the series and you don't see me talking down to people.

[Guest Nikkolas]

So, just because you've been on 10 Final Fantasy forums makes your opinion more valid? Come off it man. The beauty of forums is it allows people to state their opinions. I've played every game in the series and you don'tsee me talking down to people.

 

What use is an opinion if it has no support to it? It's like having a debate but a person doesn't have a clue what the reason they're debating is. So...you're pro-choice. Why? You need some sort of reasoning to say something is the "best." Favorite is a whole other matter. Favorite means you just like a certain character more than another. Best translates to this character have superiority over another one for some reason or another. If Sephiroth is "better" than the rest of the villains, why? Is he more developed? Stronger? What makes him the "besT"?

 

If they don't know who he is, then how can they say he is better than Sephiroth? They have nothing to compare him too. You didn't really think about that one, did you? Darkstar pegged you right. "If you don't agree with me, then you don't really know what you are talking about" is exactly what you are saying in your posts.

 

Okay then. What of it? People can disagree with your opinion but that doesn't mean that their opinion is worth anything. You have an argument with someone about opinions. One person knows their stuff. The other doesn't. Who has the right to say "I know what I'm talking about"? The person who knows their stuff. I know my stuff. I've written essays on this sort of thing and there's no reason at all for me to say Sephiroth is better just because someone said so just because they said so. I know he isn't better.

 

Kuja was just a watered down Sephiroth.

 

Perfect example why I say I have the right to say I am right. This argument is simply false on its face and nothing but a total insult to Kuja. Kuja is a 100x better than Sephiroth and I've proven it on more than one forum. If you want the summary of what I'm about to post, here's their maind ifferences:

 

1. Sephiroth was wrong about his true identity and following this misconception, he went totally insane and embraced it. Kuja HATED what he was with a passiona nd worked his life to surmount his existence.

2. Sephiroth is more physically dominating than Kuja who is only a mage.

3. Kuja did a heck of a lot more than Sephiroth ever did even though Seph had the backing of a crappy fanservice movie.

 

And for the full reasoning...

 

Kuja vs. Sephiroth - the confrontation of the silver-haired Playstation sensation...s. Kuja, the poetic yet nearly unknown antagonist of Final Fantasy IX against Sephiroth, the universally-known and giant sword-wielding villain of Final Fantasy VII. There have been two threads like this in the past on this forum but both lacked a nice thorough evaluation of each character. I will provide this as the start for this topic.

 

SEPHIROTH

 

Motives- The key to any true good villain is their motivation. Why are they evil? Sephiroth was a noble soldier and war hero, admired by young men. One day, he goes on a mission and reads some books in a secret government laboratory.

 

Sephiroth: (reading a book) …an organism that was apparently dead, was found in 2000 year old geological stratum. Professor Gast named that organism, Jenova… Year, X Month, X Day. Jenova confirmed to be an Ancient …X Year, X Month, X

Day. Jenova Project approved. The use of Mako Reactor I approved for use… My other's name is Jenova… Jenova Project… Is this just a coincidence? Professor Ga st… Why didn't you tell me anything? …Why did you die?

 

Short time later...

 

Sephiroth: Don't you get it? An Ancient named Jenova was found in the geological stratum of 2000 years ago. The Jenova Project. The Jenova Project

wanted to produce people with the powers of the Ancients……no, the Cetra! …I am the one that was produced.

 

 

From the lies told him and his own bizarre logic, Sephiroth deduced he was “created” and a test-tube baby. This conveniently severed any ties he had with humanity which he seems to have also fabricated a story for.

 

Sephiroth: Long ago, disaster struck this planet. Your ancestors escaped… They survived because they hid. The Planet was saved by sacrificing the Cetra. After that, your ancestors continued to increase. Now all that's left of the Cetra is in these reports.

 

So, Sephiroth’s motives are a righteous hate for humanity. To avenge his “ancestors” and mother, he must kill and “take back” the Planet from humans. He then proceeds to perform his infamous rampage in Nibelheim.

 

But, isn’t this knowledge invalid? He wasn’t created. He wasn’t a Cetra. The “mother” of his was the real thing that wiped out the Cetra. This is fact. Yet, Sephiroth...

 

Sephiroth: ...Ah, but I have. I'm far superior to the Ancients. I became a traveler of the Lifestream and gained the knowledge and wisdom of the Ancients.

 

That is Sephiroth at the Temple of the Ancients. Examine these quotes well. He has gained the knowledge of the Ancients which would include his righteous hate for humanity being non-existent. Thus, his motivation and reasons for going evil are moot.

 

Power- Now, Sephiroth’s power..what is it? He went into the Lifestream and is now at Northern Crater. He’s stuck there, trapped in materia. His power (never even explained) was the ability to control Jenova’s body and the other Sephiroth clones. In this way, Aeris and the workers at Shinra HQ were killed. Sephiroth himself does absolutely nothing throughout the game except stay stuck in the Crater. His main goal and use of power to attain his goal was Meteor. However, Meteor can be used by anyone.

 

Aerith: Nope, we can't use it right now. You need great spiritual power to use it.

 

Cloud: You mean lots of Spiritual energy?

 

Aerith: That's right. One person's power alone won't do it. Somewhere special. Where there's plenty of the Planet's energy... Oh yeah! The Promised Land!

 

So, even the “great Sephiroth” to use the terminology of the Sephiroth clones and fans (who have a remarkable likeness in the extent of their brainpower) was incapable of wielding such magic. No one could unless they were at a place of immense power that gave them a big power boost. So, there goes Sephiroth’s amazing power right down the drain.

 

But, I suppose I should examine Advent Children. He then keeps his consciousness from being assimilated into the Lifestream thanks more to the Jenova cells he was born with than anything else and the three Silver-Haired Men are born. In the end, Kadaj gains Jenova’s head and here is Sephiroth again. His goal now - to traverse the stars using the Jenova cells to contaminate and control the Planet. Again, not his power. Jenova’s. He’s piggybacking on it.

 

Appearance- Now we al know we are shallow and how a character looks can sway our opinion. Sephiroth is very stereotypical for a villain. Dressed all in black, rather tall and armed with a massive blade, he represents what most villains should look like and what you expect them to look like.

 

Accomplishments-

Burned down and kill some people in Nibelheim

Used Jenova’s body to kill people in Shinra HQ.

Killed Aeris

Summoned Meteor - failed to achieve goal of this accomplishment

Held off Holy

Came back after being defeated and was defeated again.

 

 

KUJA

 

Motives- Kuja was born a Genome, a specially-designed creature named for a seed used to create them. He was defective, however, and was planned to be disposed of after he had served his purpose of being a placeholder Angel of Death.

 

Garland: His ambition was unbecoming of a Genome, but it was perfect for the mission I gave him. To bring war and chaos to Gaia...

 

And so, Kuja’s desires and lust born from his own ideas and egoism were not in accordance with the mission Genomes should hold dear. However, this destructive nature was perfect for Garland.

 

That was Kuja’s initial motivations, showing he was a natural-born tool of destruction but had ideas of using that destructive might for his own ends. His plan to achieve the power he longed for was thus.

 

Kuja: You two just don't get it! I need an eidolon more powerful than Alexander! An eidolon with the power to bury Garland! His powers are so incredible; I cannot even come close. I must destroy him before Terra's plan is activated, or my soul will no longer be my own! Who cares if she lives? I want that eidolon!

 

His goal was to gain the most powerful summon, a summon which could destroy Garland which would both destroy his most powerful and hated nemesis as well as removing the chance his soul would be taken from him. He first used the benevolent Queen of Alexandria, Queen Brahne, to summon Bahamut. Taking control fo Bahamut, he destroyed Queen Brahne and her entire fleet. He then attacked Alexandria with the out-of-control Bahamut but it was destroyed by THE most powerful eidolon, Alexander. When Kuja attempted to seize Alexander however, he was thwarted by Garland. When the new attempt at taking an eidolon from Eiko failed, he concocted a new scheme after witnessing her moogle going into Trance.

 

Kuja: So...an eruption of anger against one's surroundings induces a complete Trance! It's not the will to live, nor is it the desire to protect another!

 

Kuja: That means...I simply need a powerful soul, even if that soul is not my own! No, wait... And it can be found there!

 

Time goes by and the party reaches Terra. Kuja expresses very well how stupid they all are.

 

Kuja: I must say... I truly love you all. You not only broke the seal to Terra, but did me the favor of defeating Garland!

 

He then fights the party and they help him even more! They help him go into Trance.

 

Kuja: It's Trance! You know how it works. But a normal Trance won't be enough to defeat you... You're all as resilient as oglops. Even tiny

moogles possess the power of Trance... When I saw that in Gulug Volcano, I came up with a plan. It was easy. I just needed to borrow the power

from wretched souls that can't die... Where did I acquire it? It was the Invincible, or should I say, that large eyeball in the sky?

 

So, his plan shifted a good portion through the game and his own brilliance and cunning led to this new plan being a complete success. Well, almost...

 

Kuja: A mortal...? ...I'm finished? I don't believe you! Why would I believe such a silly story! You're telling me that I'll die soon, now that I'm more powerful than anyone? I'm gonna...die!? Lose my soul...?

 

Kuja: ...I won't let it happen. I won't... I won't let this world exist without me!

 

Kuja, who had lived for power, finally had the unrivaled might he sought. However, his life was at an end. He summed it up pretty bluntly later on in the Crystal World

 

Kuja: Why should the world exist without me? That wouldn't be fair. If I die, we all die!

 

To an egocentric narcissist, the world should end if they die. If their time has come, then all others have absolutely no right to live.

 

He then engages in a battle with the party. You could say he was beaten but he then unleashed Ultima which, depending on your own speculation, may have killed the entire party.It’s not known how they got before Necron in such a place resembling a spiritual door or afterlife as well as members of the party having to give their power to the others so they may battle.

 

Power- Kuja’s power is truly immense. A mage of immense proportions, he was able to create the entire Black Mage race and the Mistodons to be used against his opponents. His power was so great, he let himself be openly targeted and hit by a straight blast from Bahamut and merely laughed at it. He then survived a blast from the Invincible, the most powerful weapon in Final Fantasy IX, and survived. His main noticeable power is his incredible intellect which allowed him to manipulate a continental war that cost thousands of deaths by using a kind queen. Not mind control but actual manipulation which is a bit more difficult as you must use your brain to make the person act in accordance with your objective. This power also allowed him also to conceive of the plan of using the Invincible to achieve his full power. He thus became a demi-god, a being nearly more powerful than any other in an RPG short of Id and Lavos.

 

Appearance- Kuja’s appearance is said to be “feminine.” Not only is his face not feminine in the least but nice hips and a thong makes him a great villain. Why, you may ask. Well, do you see the guy in the thong with make-up as the ultimate villain who brings about mass death and chaos? No? Well then, that works perfectly. Besides, a lot of guys wear thongs. It’s nothing that special. Any number of characters may wear thongs under their pants but you can’t see it. Kuja is in love with his own idea of his superiority which would translate into his gladly displaying his body. A narcissist is in love with his appearance.

 

Accomplishments-

Used Queen Brahne to devastate Burmecia, killing dozens there. Used Brahne to destroy Cleyra, killing everyone there. Used Brahne to attack Lindblum and kill many there.

Created the Black Mages, a race born for warfare and death.

Anticipated and used Queen Brahne one final time to summon Bahamut. Then corrupted Bahamut and destroyed Brahne and her fleet.

Formulated quickly and then put into action his Trance Plan which gave him more power than any other being on the planet.

Created the Chaos Guardians, Memoria and Deathguise.

 

conclusion

 

Kuja beats Sephiroth in motivation, appearance, power and accomplishments.

 

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I don't think of myself as superior. I think of myself as informed and intelligent. And I see no reason to say why other people are right when they haven't really given any credibility to their arguments.

 

I

[Guest Rog]

What use is an opinion if it has no support to it? It's like having a debate but a person doesn't have a clue what the reason they're debating is. So...you're pro-choice. Why? You need some sort of reasoning to say something is the "best." Favorite is a whole other matter. Favorite means you just like a certain character more than another. Best translates to this character have superiority over another one for some reason or another. If Sephiroth is "better" than the rest of the villains, why? Is he more developed? Stronger? What makes him the "besT"?

 

 

 

Okay then. What of it? People can disagree with your opinion but that doesn't mean that their opinion is worth anything. You have an argument with someone about opinions. One person knows their stuff. The other doesn't. Who has the right to say "I know what I'm talking about"? The person who knows their stuff. I know my stuff. I've written essays on this sort of thing and there's no reason at all for me to say Sephiroth is better just because someone said so just because they said so. I know he isn't better.

 

 

 

Perfect example why I say I have the right to say I am right. This argument is simply false on its face and nothing but a total insult to Kuja. Kuja is a 100x better than Sephiroth and I've proven it on more than one forum. If you want the summary of what I'm about to post, here's their maind ifferences:

 

1. Sephiroth was wrong about his true identity and following this misconception, he went totally insane and embraced it. Kuja HATED what he was with a passiona nd worked his life to surmount his existence.

2. Sephiroth is more physically dominating than Kuja who is only a mage.

3. Kuja did a heck of a lot more than Sephiroth ever did even though Seph had the backing of a crappy fanservice movie.

 

And for the full reasoning...

 

Kuja vs. Sephiroth - the confrontation of the silver-haired Playstation sensation...s. Kuja, the poetic yet nearly unknown antagonist of Final Fantasy IX against Sephiroth, the universally-known and giant sword-wielding villain of Final Fantasy VII. There have been two threads like this in the past on this forum but both lacked a nice thorough evaluation of each character. I will provide this as the start for this topic.

 

SEPHIROTH

 

Motives- The key to any true good villain is their motivation. Why are they evil? Sephiroth was a noble soldier and war hero, admired by young men. One day, he goes on a mission and reads some books in a secret government laboratory.

 

Sephiroth: (reading a book) …an organism that was apparently dead, was found in 2000 year old geological stratum. Professor Gast named that organism, Jenova… Year, X Month, X Day. Jenova confirmed to be an Ancient …X Year, X Month, X

Day. Jenova Project approved. The use of Mako Reactor I approved for use… My other's name is Jenova… Jenova Project… Is this just a coincidence? Professor Ga st… Why didn't you tell me anything? …Why did you die?

 

Short time later...

 

Sephiroth: Don't you get it? An Ancient named Jenova was found in the geological stratum of 2000 years ago. The Jenova Project. The Jenova Project

wanted to produce people with the powers of the Ancients……no, the Cetra! …I am the one that was produced.

 

 

From the lies told him and his own bizarre logic, Sephiroth deduced he was “created” and a test-tube baby. This conveniently severed any ties he had with humanity which he seems to have also fabricated a story for.

 

Sephiroth: Long ago, disaster struck this planet. Your ancestors escaped… They survived because they hid. The Planet was saved by sacrificing the Cetra. After that, your ancestors continued to increase. Now all that's left of the Cetra is in these reports.

 

So, Sephiroth’s motives are a righteous hate for humanity. To avenge his “ancestors” and mother, he must kill and “take back” the Planet from humans. He then proceeds to perform his infamous rampage in Nibelheim.

 

But, isn’t this knowledge invalid? He wasn’t created. He wasn’t a Cetra. The “mother” of his was the real thing that wiped out the Cetra. This is fact. Yet, Sephiroth...

 

Sephiroth: ...Ah, but I have. I'm far superior to the Ancients. I became a traveler of the Lifestream and gained the knowledge and wisdom of the Ancients.

 

That is Sephiroth at the Temple of the Ancients. Examine these quotes well. He has gained the knowledge of the Ancients which would include his righteous hate for humanity being non-existent. Thus, his motivation and reasons for going evil are moot.

 

Power- Now, Sephiroth’s power..what is it? He went into the Lifestream and is now at Northern Crater. He’s stuck there, trapped in materia. His power (never even explained) was the ability to control Jenova’s body and the other Sephiroth clones. In this way, Aeris and the workers at Shinra HQ were killed. Sephiroth himself does absolutely nothing throughout the game except stay stuck in the Crater. His main goal and use of power to attain his goal was Meteor. However, Meteor can be used by anyone.

 

Aerith: Nope, we can't use it right now. You need great spiritual power to use it.

 

Cloud: You mean lots of Spiritual energy?

 

Aerith: That's right. One person's power alone won't do it. Somewhere special. Where there's plenty of the Planet's energy... Oh yeah! The Promised Land!

 

So, even the “great Sephiroth” to use the terminology of the Sephiroth clones and fans (who have a remarkable likeness in the extent of their brainpower) was incapable of wielding such magic. No one could unless they were at a place of immense power that gave them a big power boost. So, there goes Sephiroth’s amazing power right down the drain.

 

But, I suppose I should examine Advent Children. He then keeps his consciousness from being assimilated into the Lifestream thanks more to the Jenova cells he was born with than anything else and the three Silver-Haired Men are born. In the end, Kadaj gains Jenova’s head and here is Sephiroth again. His goal now - to traverse the stars using the Jenova cells to contaminate and control the Planet. Again, not his power. Jenova’s. He’s piggybacking on it.

 

Appearance- Now we al know we are shallow and how a character looks can sway our opinion. Sephiroth is very stereotypical for a villain. Dressed all in black, rather tall and armed with a massive blade, he represents what most villains should look like and what you expect them to look like.

 

Accomplishments-

Burned down and kill some people in Nibelheim

Used Jenova’s body to kill people in Shinra HQ.

Killed Aeris

Summoned Meteor - failed to achieve goal of this accomplishment

Held off Holy

Came back after being defeated and was defeated again.

 

 

KUJA

 

Motives- Kuja was born a Genome, a specially-designed creature named for a seed used to create them. He was defective, however, and was planned to be disposed of after he had served his purpose of being a placeholder Angel of Death.

 

Garland: His ambition was unbecoming of a Genome, but it was perfect for the mission I gave him. To bring war and chaos to Gaia...

 

And so, Kuja’s desires and lust born from his own ideas and egoism were not in accordance with the mission Genomes should hold dear. However, this destructive nature was perfect for Garland.

 

That was Kuja’s initial motivations, showing he was a natural-born tool of destruction but had ideas of using that destructive might for his own ends. His plan to achieve the power he longed for was thus.

 

Kuja: You two just don't get it! I need an eidolon more powerful than Alexander! An eidolon with the power to bury Garland! His powers are so incredible; I cannot even come close. I must destroy him before Terra's plan is activated, or my soul will no longer be my own! Who cares if she lives? I want that eidolon!

 

His goal was to gain the most powerful summon, a summon which could destroy Garland which would both destroy his most powerful and hated nemesis as well as removing the chance his soul would be taken from him. He first used the benevolent Queen of Alexandria, Queen Brahne, to summon Bahamut. Taking control fo Bahamut, he destroyed Queen Brahne and her entire fleet. He then attacked Alexandria with the out-of-control Bahamut but it was destroyed by THE most powerful eidolon, Alexander. When Kuja attempted to seize Alexander however, he was thwarted by Garland. When the new attempt at taking an eidolon from Eiko failed, he concocted a new scheme after witnessing her moogle going into Trance.

 

Kuja: So...an eruption of anger against one's surroundings induces a complete Trance! It's not the will to live, nor is it the desire to protect another!

 

Kuja: That means...I simply need a powerful soul, even if that soul is not my own! No, wait... And it can be found there!

 

Time goes by and the party reaches Terra. Kuja expresses very well how stupid they all are.

 

Kuja: I must say... I truly love you all. You not only broke the seal to Terra, but did me the favor of defeating Garland!

 

He then fights the party and they help him even more! They help him go into Trance.

 

Kuja: It's Trance! You know how it works. But a normal Trance won't be enough to defeat you... You're all as resilient as oglops. Even tiny

moogles possess the power of Trance... When I saw that in Gulug Volcano, I came up with a plan. It was easy. I just needed to borrow the power

from wretched souls that can't die... Where did I acquire it? It was the Invincible, or should I say, that large eyeball in the sky?

 

So, his plan shifted a good portion through the game and his own brilliance and cunning led to this new plan being a complete success. Well, almost...

 

Kuja: A mortal...? ...I'm finished? I don't believe you! Why would I believe such a silly story! You're telling me that I'll die soon, now that I'm more powerful than anyone? I'm gonna...die!? Lose my soul...?

 

Kuja: ...I won't let it happen. I won't... I won't let this world exist without me!

 

Kuja, who had lived for power, finally had the unrivaled might he sought. However, his life was at an end. He summed it up pretty bluntly later on in the Crystal World

 

Kuja: Why should the world exist without me? That wouldn't be fair. If I die, we all die!

 

To an egocentric narcissist, the world should end if they die. If their time has come, then all others have absolutely no right to live.

 

He then engages in a battle with the party. You could say he was beaten but he then unleashed Ultima which, depending on your own speculation, may have killed the entire party.It’s not known how they got before Necron in such a place resembling a spiritual door or afterlife as well as members of the party having to give their power to the others so they may battle.

 

Power- Kuja’s power is truly immense. A mage of immense proportions, he was able to create the entire Black Mage race and the Mistodons to be used against his opponents. His power was so great, he let himself be openly targeted and hit by a straight blast from Bahamut and merely laughed at it. He then survived a blast from the Invincible, the most powerful weapon in Final Fantasy IX, and survived. His main noticeable power is his incredible intellect which allowed him to manipulate a continental war that cost thousands of deaths by using a kind queen. Not mind control but actual manipulation which is a bit more difficult as you must use your brain to make the person act in accordance with your objective. This power also allowed him also to conceive of the plan of using the Invincible to achieve his full power. He thus became a demi-god, a being nearly more powerful than any other in an RPG short of Id and Lavos.

 

Appearance- Kuja’s appearance is said to be “feminine.” Not only is his face not feminine in the least but nice hips and a thong makes him a great villain. Why, you may ask. Well, do you see the guy in the thong with make-up as the ultimate villain who brings about mass death and chaos? No? Well then, that works perfectly. Besides, a lot of guys wear thongs. It’s nothing that special. Any number of characters may wear thongs under their pants but you can’t see it. Kuja is in love with his own idea of his superiority which would translate into his gladly displaying his body. A narcissist is in love with his appearance.

 

Accomplishments-

Used Queen Brahne to devastate Burmecia, killing dozens there. Used Brahne to destroy Cleyra, killing everyone there. Used Brahne to attack Lindblum and kill many there.

Created the Black Mages, a race born for warfare and death.

Anticipated and used Queen Brahne one final time to summon Bahamut. Then corrupted Bahamut and destroyed Brahne and her fleet.

Formulated quickly and then put into action his Trance Plan which gave him more power than any other being on the planet.

Created the Chaos Guardians, Memoria and Deathguise.

 

conclusion

 

Kuja beats Sephiroth in motivation, appearance, power and accomplishments.

 

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I don't think of myself as superior. I think of myself as informed and intelligent. And I see no reason to say why other people are right when they haven't really given any credibility to their arguments.

 

I

 

Ugh, Im not even going to bother reading that. It must annnoy you that people are allowed to have opinions.

[Guest Nikkolas]

Not at all. Diversity is a very good thing. But tell me - how is an uninformed opinion worth anything to anyone?

 

Question: Do you like Person A or Person B more?

Answer: I like Person A more.

Question: Why?

Answer: Um.....

 

If a person can have an opinion that is not just crap, I have no problem with it. But if you're gonna say someone is "the best" you need to have reasons for it. If you're gonna say Sammy Sosa is the best baseball player in history, you need to have something to support that. Opionions make the world go around sure - but how much of that opinion can be supported with facts? How much of it is not simply bias? How much of it is worth something?

 

If you want to say I'm an egotistical ass, go ahead. All I'm saying is that if you think someone is "the best" you should have backing for it. I've given backing for my opinion with facts and that's why i say Kuja is better. I compared the two. I showed why Kuja was better. So, what did I do wrong? To say Sephirtoh is the best would be contradicting facts.

[Guest MojoPogo]

What use is an opinion if it has no support to it? It's like having a debate but a person doesn't have a clue what the reason they're debating is. So...you're pro-choice. Why? You need some sort of reasoning to say something is the "best." Favorite is a whole other matter. Favorite means you just like a certain character more than another. Best translates to this character have superiority over another one for some reason or another. If Sephiroth is "better" than the rest of the villains, why? Is he more developed? Stronger? What makes him the "besT"?

 

 

 

Okay then. What of it? People can disagree with your opinion but that doesn't mean that their opinion is worth anything. You have an argument with someone about opinions. One person knows their stuff. The other doesn't. Who has the right to say "I know what I'm talking about"? The person who knows their stuff. I know my stuff. I've written essays on this sort of thing and there's no reason at all for me to say Sephiroth is better just because someone said so just because they said so. I know he isn't better.

 

 

 

Perfect example why I say I have the right to say I am right. This argument is simply false on its face and nothing but a total insult to Kuja. Kuja is a 100x better than Sephiroth and I've proven it on more than one forum. If you want the summary of what I'm about to post, here's their maind ifferences:

 

1. Sephiroth was wrong about his true identity and following this misconception, he went totally insane and embraced it. Kuja HATED what he was with a passiona nd worked his life to surmount his existence.

2. Sephiroth is more physically dominating than Kuja who is only a mage.

3. Kuja did a heck of a lot more than Sephiroth ever did even though Seph had the backing of a crappy fanservice movie.

 

And for the full reasoning...

 

Kuja vs. Sephiroth - the confrontation of the silver-haired Playstation sensation...s. Kuja, the poetic yet nearly unknown antagonist of Final Fantasy IX against Sephiroth, the universally-known and giant sword-wielding villain of Final Fantasy VII. There have been two threads like this in the past on this forum but both lacked a nice thorough evaluation of each character. I will provide this as the start for this topic.

 

SEPHIROTH

 

Motives- The key to any true good villain is their motivation. Why are they evil? Sephiroth was a noble soldier and war hero, admired by young men. One day, he goes on a mission and reads some books in a secret government laboratory.

 

Sephiroth: (reading a book) …an organism that was apparently dead, was found in 2000 year old geological stratum. Professor Gast named that organism, Jenova… Year, X Month, X Day. Jenova confirmed to be an Ancient …X Year, X Month, X

Day. Jenova Project approved. The use of Mako Reactor I approved for use… My other's name is Jenova… Jenova Project… Is this just a coincidence? Professor Ga st… Why didn't you tell me anything? …Why did you die?

 

Short time later...

 

Sephiroth: Don't you get it? An Ancient named Jenova was found in the geological stratum of 2000 years ago. The Jenova Project. The Jenova Project

wanted to produce people with the powers of the Ancients……no, the Cetra! …I am the one that was produced.

 

 

From the lies told him and his own bizarre logic, Sephiroth deduced he was “created” and a test-tube baby. This conveniently severed any ties he had with humanity which he seems to have also fabricated a story for.

 

Sephiroth: Long ago, disaster struck this planet. Your ancestors escaped… They survived because they hid. The Planet was saved by sacrificing the Cetra. After that, your ancestors continued to increase. Now all that's left of the Cetra is in these reports.

 

So, Sephiroth’s motives are a righteous hate for humanity. To avenge his “ancestors” and mother, he must kill and “take back” the Planet from humans. He then proceeds to perform his infamous rampage in Nibelheim.

 

But, isn’t this knowledge invalid? He wasn’t created. He wasn’t a Cetra. The “mother” of his was the real thing that wiped out the Cetra. This is fact. Yet, Sephiroth...

 

Sephiroth: ...Ah, but I have. I'm far superior to the Ancients. I became a traveler of the Lifestream and gained the knowledge and wisdom of the Ancients.

 

That is Sephiroth at the Temple of the Ancients. Examine these quotes well. He has gained the knowledge of the Ancients which would include his righteous hate for humanity being non-existent. Thus, his motivation and reasons for going evil are moot.

 

Power- Now, Sephiroth’s power..what is it? He went into the Lifestream and is now at Northern Crater. He’s stuck there, trapped in materia. His power (never even explained) was the ability to control Jenova’s body and the other Sephiroth clones. In this way, Aeris and the workers at Shinra HQ were killed. Sephiroth himself does absolutely nothing throughout the game except stay stuck in the Crater. His main goal and use of power to attain his goal was Meteor. However, Meteor can be used by anyone.

 

Aerith: Nope, we can't use it right now. You need great spiritual power to use it.

 

Cloud: You mean lots of Spiritual energy?

 

Aerith: That's right. One person's power alone won't do it. Somewhere special. Where there's plenty of the Planet's energy... Oh yeah! The Promised Land!

 

So, even the “great Sephiroth” to use the terminology of the Sephiroth clones and fans (who have a remarkable likeness in the extent of their brainpower) was incapable of wielding such magic. No one could unless they were at a place of immense power that gave them a big power boost. So, there goes Sephiroth’s amazing power right down the drain.

 

But, I suppose I should examine Advent Children. He then keeps his consciousness from being assimilated into the Lifestream thanks more to the Jenova cells he was born with than anything else and the three Silver-Haired Men are born. In the end, Kadaj gains Jenova’s head and here is Sephiroth again. His goal now - to traverse the stars using the Jenova cells to contaminate and control the Planet. Again, not his power. Jenova’s. He’s piggybacking on it.

 

Appearance- Now we al know we are shallow and how a character looks can sway our opinion. Sephiroth is very stereotypical for a villain. Dressed all in black, rather tall and armed with a massive blade, he represents what most villains should look like and what you expect them to look like.

 

Accomplishments-

Burned down and kill some people in Nibelheim

Used Jenova’s body to kill people in Shinra HQ.

Killed Aeris

Summoned Meteor - failed to achieve goal of this accomplishment

Held off Holy

Came back after being defeated and was defeated again.

 

 

KUJA

 

Motives- Kuja was born a Genome, a specially-designed creature named for a seed used to create them. He was defective, however, and was planned to be disposed of after he had served his purpose of being a placeholder Angel of Death.

 

Garland: His ambition was unbecoming of a Genome, but it was perfect for the mission I gave him. To bring war and chaos to Gaia...

 

And so, Kuja’s desires and lust born from his own ideas and egoism were not in accordance with the mission Genomes should hold dear. However, this destructive nature was perfect for Garland.

 

That was Kuja’s initial motivations, showing he was a natural-born tool of destruction but had ideas of using that destructive might for his own ends. His plan to achieve the power he longed for was thus.

 

Kuja: You two just don't get it! I need an eidolon more powerful than Alexander! An eidolon with the power to bury Garland! His powers are so incredible; I cannot even come close. I must destroy him before Terra's plan is activated, or my soul will no longer be my own! Who cares if she lives? I want that eidolon!

 

His goal was to gain the most powerful summon, a summon which could destroy Garland which would both destroy his most powerful and hated nemesis as well as removing the chance his soul would be taken from him. He first used the benevolent Queen of Alexandria, Queen Brahne, to summon Bahamut. Taking control fo Bahamut, he destroyed Queen Brahne and her entire fleet. He then attacked Alexandria with the out-of-control Bahamut but it was destroyed by THE most powerful eidolon, Alexander. When Kuja attempted to seize Alexander however, he was thwarted by Garland. When the new attempt at taking an eidolon from Eiko failed, he concocted a new scheme after witnessing her moogle going into Trance.

 

Kuja: So...an eruption of anger against one's surroundings induces a complete Trance! It's not the will to live, nor is it the desire to protect another!

 

Kuja: That means...I simply need a powerful soul, even if that soul is not my own! No, wait... And it can be found there!

 

Time goes by and the party reaches Terra. Kuja expresses very well how stupid they all are.

 

Kuja: I must say... I truly love you all. You not only broke the seal to Terra, but did me the favor of defeating Garland!

 

He then fights the party and they help him even more! They help him go into Trance.

 

Kuja: It's Trance! You know how it works. But a normal Trance won't be enough to defeat you... You're all as resilient as oglops. Even tiny

moogles possess the power of Trance... When I saw that in Gulug Volcano, I came up with a plan. It was easy. I just needed to borrow the power

from wretched souls that can't die... Where did I acquire it? It was the Invincible, or should I say, that large eyeball in the sky?

 

So, his plan shifted a good portion through the game and his own brilliance and cunning led to this new plan being a complete success. Well, almost...

 

Kuja: A mortal...? ...I'm finished? I don't believe you! Why would I believe such a silly story! You're telling me that I'll die soon, now that I'm more powerful than anyone? I'm gonna...die!? Lose my soul...?

 

Kuja: ...I won't let it happen. I won't... I won't let this world exist without me!

 

Kuja, who had lived for power, finally had the unrivaled might he sought. However, his life was at an end. He summed it up pretty bluntly later on in the Crystal World

 

Kuja: Why should the world exist without me? That wouldn't be fair. If I die, we all die!

 

To an egocentric narcissist, the world should end if they die. If their time has come, then all others have absolutely no right to live.

 

He then engages in a battle with the party. You could say he was beaten but he then unleashed Ultima which, depending on your own speculation, may have killed the entire party.It’s not known how they got before Necron in such a place resembling a spiritual door or afterlife as well as members of the party having to give their power to the others so they may battle.

 

Power- Kuja’s power is truly immense. A mage of immense proportions, he was able to create the entire Black Mage race and the Mistodons to be used against his opponents. His power was so great, he let himself be openly targeted and hit by a straight blast from Bahamut and merely laughed at it. He then survived a blast from the Invincible, the most powerful weapon in Final Fantasy IX, and survived. His main noticeable power is his incredible intellect which allowed him to manipulate a continental war that cost thousands of deaths by using a kind queen. Not mind control but actual manipulation which is a bit more difficult as you must use your brain to make the person act in accordance with your objective. This power also allowed him also to conceive of the plan of using the Invincible to achieve his full power. He thus became a demi-god, a being nearly more powerful than any other in an RPG short of Id and Lavos.

 

Appearance- Kuja’s appearance is said to be “feminine.” Not only is his face not feminine in the least but nice hips and a thong makes him a great villain. Why, you may ask. Well, do you see the guy in the thong with make-up as the ultimate villain who brings about mass death and chaos? No? Well then, that works perfectly. Besides, a lot of guys wear thongs. It’s nothing that special. Any number of characters may wear thongs under their pants but you can’t see it. Kuja is in love with his own idea of his superiority which would translate into his gladly displaying his body. A narcissist is in love with his appearance.

 

Accomplishments-

Used Queen Brahne to devastate Burmecia, killing dozens there. Used Brahne to destroy Cleyra, killing everyone there. Used Brahne to attack Lindblum and kill many there.

Created the Black Mages, a race born for warfare and death.

Anticipated and used Queen Brahne one final time to summon Bahamut. Then corrupted Bahamut and destroyed Brahne and her fleet.

Formulated quickly and then put into action his Trance Plan which gave him more power than any other being on the planet.

Created the Chaos Guardians, Memoria and Deathguise.

 

conclusion

 

Kuja beats Sephiroth in motivation, appearance, power and accomplishments.

 

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I don't think of myself as superior. I think of myself as informed and intelligent. And I see no reason to say why other people are right when they haven't really given any credibility to their arguments.

 

I

 

Wow. I LOVE the final fantasy games. They rock mightily. But i also like to have a life.......that said, there is some interesting points in there.....

[Paul 584]

Kuja is a 100x better than Sephiroth and I've proven it on more than one forum.

 

 

 

Motivation: Sephiroth belived to the end in what he was doing, he never repented, unlike Kuja.

 

Sephiroth 1 Kuja 0

 

Apperance: Sephiroth was sinister in a very cool way, his apperance is sterotypical, but since when did that mean inferior? And a villain wearing a thong instantly makes him better does it? he looks WORSE. Less like a villain, and isnt that the point here?

 

Sephiroth 2 Kuja 0

 

 

Accomplishments: Well both failed in their objectives to destroy, however Sephiroth did more on a personal level as far as the games go. He killed Aeris, the death of a main character is something that wasnt a staple of any other FF game (not without a ressurection anyway) and THAT is the accomplishment.

 

Final score Sephiroth 3 Kuja 0

 

 

 

See how easy it is to turn opinion into fact? I just proved that Sephiroth was a better villain.