Guest Dillkid Posted August 28, 2013 Share Posted August 28, 2013 Wouldn't wrestlers like Terry Funk and Mick Foley be included in this for the hardcore/risky stuff they did? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest John Hancock Posted August 28, 2013 Share Posted August 28, 2013 More so Funk than Foley, seeing that Foley was really Funk's understudy in all that stuff. Even then, Funk got a lot of it from his Dad. I think, if we're talking about guys who "invented" or popularised American hardcore wrestling, it's between Freddie Blassie and Dory Funk Sr. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ciaran The King Posted August 28, 2013 Share Posted August 28, 2013 I didn't know Freddie Blassie had a hand in it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC 536 Posted August 28, 2013 Share Posted August 28, 2013 Blassie was a blood-thirsty madman in his in-ring heyday. So much so, his nickname was "The Vampire". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ciaran The King Posted August 28, 2013 Share Posted August 28, 2013 Something I never knew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest terrythunk Posted September 1, 2013 Share Posted September 1, 2013 Randy Savage and Bret Hart changed the style of US wrestling IMO. If you look at the cards today, and you look at the style of matches, I see their influence from top to bottom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest The Beltster Posted September 1, 2013 Share Posted September 1, 2013 The times changed the style, not Bret and Randy. Bret and Randy were wrestling since the 70's and the style only changed in the early to mid 90's after they had no choice but to get rid of the big slow steroid guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ciaran The King Posted September 2, 2013 Share Posted September 2, 2013 If there was no steroid scandal there would be no Bret or Shawn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dillkid Posted September 2, 2013 Share Posted September 2, 2013 This is kinda on topic, but why did they push Lex Luger in 1993 with all of the steroid shit going on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ciaran The King Posted September 2, 2013 Share Posted September 2, 2013 Why not?? After all he was a Real American :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omega 354 Posted September 2, 2013 Share Posted September 2, 2013 It's only on topic if you think LEx Luiger is one of the most influential wrestlers of all time.... and as a cautionary tale I guess I could agree. from [video=youtube;ozEB38XueRA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozEB38XueRA to [video=youtube;BHTj7qfnTak] to [video=youtube;0vs0zQgSUTk] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ciaran The King Posted September 2, 2013 Share Posted September 2, 2013 Surely the Sheik was influential [video=youtube;E2GoQJip2lk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=E2GoQJip2lk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest John Hancock Posted September 2, 2013 Share Posted September 2, 2013 He was certainly a big direct influence on ECW for guys like Sabu and Rob Van Dam, who, in turn, influenced guys like The Hardy Boyz and E+C and blah, blah, blah, but he wasn't the first guy to be doing that sort of stuff. Now that I mention is, Sabu and RVD, especially as a tag team, should be up there, they pretty much invented (or at least refined and popularised) the whole spot-heavy hardcore tag team stuff that become the Dudleys and the Hardys and TLC and E+C and all that stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omega 354 Posted September 2, 2013 Share Posted September 2, 2013 Gory Guerrero was very innovative for his time and I think partially inspired a lot of the move away from the more brawly style to something more "graceful" so to speak. Mil Mascaras the father of high flying? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ciaran The King Posted September 2, 2013 Share Posted September 2, 2013 Mil Mascaras the father of high flying? I read that he hardly ever sold/lost? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Fatherof10minis Posted September 2, 2013 Share Posted September 2, 2013 He was certainly a big direct influence on ECW for guys like Sabu and Rob Van Dam, who, in turn, influenced guys like The Hardy Boyz and E+C and blah, blah, blah, but he wasn't the first guy to be doing that sort of stuff. Now that I mention is, Sabu and RVD, especially as a tag team, should be up there, they pretty much invented (or at least refined and popularised) the whole spot-heavy hardcore tag team stuff that become the Dudleys and the Hardys and TLC and E+C and all that stuff. I would throw the eliminators in there as well. They were a very innovative tag team. John Kronos did things a man his size should almost never do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest John Hancock Posted September 2, 2013 Share Posted September 2, 2013 Mil Mascaras the father of high flying? Could well be, in Mexico at least. I think any sort of "technically sound" wrestler under 6'0 in North America owes a big debt to Tiger Mask, Ultimo Dragon and Jushin Liger; Benoit, Guerrero, Jericho, Bryan, Punk, Edge, Christian, all those sort of guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omega 354 Posted September 2, 2013 Share Posted September 2, 2013 yeah, I'd go so far as to say any "smaller" wrestler owes, in some part, the employment to Jushin Liger and Tiger Mask being a f*cking beast in the junior heavyweights and proving you can kick ass without being a high flyer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ciaran The King Posted September 2, 2013 Share Posted September 2, 2013 Jushin Liger has been a massive influence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC 536 Posted September 2, 2013 Share Posted September 2, 2013 The Great Muta? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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