Music Club 11.5: Is This The Worst Song You've Ever Heard?

[Guest Inno]

steady now. You've taken that too far.

[ShaolinHandLock 73]

The evidence that "My Name Is" is a horrorcore song is pretty tenuous. If you actually go on that Wikipedia article, and click on the source that the article uses to justify that description, it links you to a review of the entire album that describes as having "ressurected the neo sub-genre of "horror-core" rap and given it a drug enhanced retro-fit". It's also a review on a video game website. I think you'd be hard pressed to find many music journalists calling Eminem "horror-ore".

 

The problem is that it's sort of one of those sub genres that doesn't really exist, like emo. The most noteworthy thing about the emo craze was that it was a term used almost entirely by people who didn't like it to describe things they didn't like. To actual fans of actual emo, or at least the genre the term originally came from, as in "emotional hardcore", bands like Jawbreaker and Sunny Day Real Estate or even certain Weezer albums, the fact that they were now in the same genre as H.I.M. and Panic! At The Disco was just bizarre. Horrorcore's a bit like that in the sense that it's a word people throw around too freely, but it's different in that it isn't generally used as an insult in the way that "emo" became a word that only people who didn't like pop-punk would use to describe pop-punk. Fans of certain punk subgenres spent about five years rabidly denying that anything was emo, whilst horrorcore rap fans have been spending the last ten year rabidly claiming that everything is horrorcore.

 

I've heard the term "horrorcore" used to describe everything from Three Six Mafia to Alkaline Trio and from Insane Clown Posse to My Chemical Romance. It's a very over used term. One of the big problems is it's a genre defined by it's lyrical content, to some people, it's basically any song about killing people. So it's "Stan" by Eminem, but then it's also basically "Sympathy For The Devil" by the Rolling Stones too. The problem is, when you start defining it as that, even if you just stick to rap, you run the risk of crossing over into gangsta rap, which is also almost entirely about killing people.

 

At it's core, if you want to be strict, horrorcore has to have a sense of theatre, it's beyond just murder, it's very schlocky and intentionally silly, in a fun way. It's not about reality or being relatable, it's usually about Satanism and eating people and being a zombie or something like that. You can take probably the most obvious horror-punk band, The Misfits, and listen to a song like "Astro Zombies" or "Last Caress" or "Saturday Night" and you can quickly go, "Okay, I get it, that's what that is", and, in horror-rap, you can do that with Gravediggaz or Tyler The Creator or Flatlinerz, they very quickly identifiable, and, just out of curiosity, I'd recommend some of the people in this thread listen to those three just to see what the genre is when it's done "well", at least in terms of critical success, because, so far, this thread has really been about the bottom of the barrel, and it might be interesting for people to see what, within the genre at least, is considered the top.

 

Generally, I'd say, if you don't know very quickly if it's horrorcore or not, it isn't.

 

This is probably the best post in this thread. Just a few points though, horrorcore as a genre most certainly exists, but like you said, it can be controversial as to what counts as horrorcore and what doesn't. Especially when some rappers, (Tyler the Creator in particular), have a style which fits every definition of horrorcore, but they continually claim that they aren't doing horrorcore.

 

And while there are plenty of horrorcore songs that are 'intentionally silly in a fun way', that is only one form of horrorcore rap, as horrorcore rap has its own subgenres. These subgenres include Devil Shyt, Juggalo Rap, Acid Rap, Death Rap, Gore Rap/Snuff Porn Gore Rap, Comedy Horrorcore Rap, and many more even smaller subgenres such as Goth Rap. All of these styles are horrorcore, but they are very different, and the definition of horrorcore as a style is far more complicated because of this.

 

3 pages to convince someone to respect other people's opinions. Why are we doing this? Why are we letting this happen? If you know someone isn't smart enough to not put themselves in a bad situation would you let them do it anyway? Would you let a drunk friend drive a car home? He's a danger to himself and other people even if he simply doesn't get it.

 

Who said I didn't respect your opinion? That's not what any of this is about. All I did was remark that I didn't expect such a negative response to the song, and as usual with this forum, the whole thing blew up out of proportion.

 

All I thought was that calling it the 'worst song ever' was a bit harsh.

 

And insulting my intelligence? Stay classy Omega.....

[DC 536]

Who said I didn't respect your opinion?

Exhibit A.

You people are insane. I didn't expect much positive scoring for the Steezy Ant track, but this is ridiculous

[Paul 584]

I dont like horrorcore,

But this threads a muthafunking bore.

Blood, murder, death and hate

Seems on this forum I have a fate.

Im the dead eyed killing slut

Rounding off the thread with the words:

 

F*CKING SHUT

[Maxximus 353]

What the hell is going on? I'm never getting sick again, I miss all the best stuff! :lol

 

I had a listen to the Sleazy Ant thing and while it wasn't great I've heard far FAR worse from many genera across the music spectrum. The only things about that track that were offensive to me were the length of the track and the stupid stupid chorus. Damn, guy, we get it. Shut up. Drop a key change or something and move on.

 

If I was in the club this time around I'd have given it a sold 4/10. There were a few MCs that were okay. The rest were meh and at least one of them should never open their mouth to even speak ever again.

 

Shao, relax bro, we all like different things. There's no reason to go on a crusade for that track.

[Maxximus 353]

Also, reopened. I didn't see any major issues for closing the thread. Just keep the debate civil. No name calling or insulting and we won't have a problem.

 

I'm keepin' an eye on youse.

[ShaolinHandLock 73]

If I was in the club this time around I'd have given it a sold 4/10. There were a few MCs that were okay. The rest were meh and at least one of them should never open their mouth to even speak ever again.

 

Which one? I'm curious, as I never judge anyone's talent based on only one song (at least if I think they sound bad on said song, if they sound good to me then that's different). Even if I hear a rapper who I think sounds totally horrible in every way, I always seek out other stuff they've done to see whether they are actually bad or whether it's just the one song.

 

Shao, relax bro, we all like different things. There's no reason to go on a crusade for that track.

 

As I said before, if stuff like that gets so much hate, then I have no hope when it comes to making my own music.

[Maxximus 353]

It was primarily the guy on the chorus I didn't like at all. Maybe because it was so repetitive.

 

As far as creating your own music, never lose hope or think you can't do it because a few people say they don't like it. If every musician gave up because a few people said they weren't any good, we wouldn't have any music at all. Just keep doing what you're doing if it makes you happy and eventually people will get interested. The most important thing is you stay true to yourself and never give up.

 

I was in a band in high school and tons of people thought we sucked but we had some people that liked us so we continued to do what we did for ourselves and those that supported us. Who cares what anyone else thinks. You can't please everyone so focus on the ones you can or just what you want for the time being.

[Guest Inno]

Shao, don't hold our opinions as a guide to making your own music. There's a market or a niche out there for almost anything these days; the 'net and the digital revolution means that if you put it out there, someone will dig it and want it.

 

Might not be my cup of tea, but I doubt I speak for hardcore underground rap fans. I barely speak for myself :P

 

If you have the drive to do it, go and do it. Don't let anyone convince you otherwise. You never know until you try :)

[Guest Boyo]

And if you make it as a success, remember us!

 

Cheers!

[King 277]

Yeah even if we think it's utter rubbish, remember us when you make millions :lol

[Omega 354]

 

As I said before, if stuff like that gets so much hate, then I have no hope when it comes to making my own music.

 

I'm not gay but that don't mean there's no gays in the world enjoying all that fine bottom sex and what not. If there's an audience for it then go for it.