Piledrivers & Other Banned Moves **split from Raw thread**

[Dead Crow 370]

Someone is in big trouble over that Piledriver spot. Meltzer saying that Vince blew his gasket when it happened, and Cena won't get punished for sh*t. Quite possibly, neither will Punk. So I'm looking at whoever the road agent was.

 

Shame, as it was a shocking moment in a great match, but rules be rules.

[ViciousPrism 177]

When in doubt fire the road agent. Worked for Finlay and Goldust.

[Guest Ciaran The King]

NOTHING is better that MitB 2011! :lol

 

Nothing?

 

And also what is bad about two seasoned perfomers using a piledriver?

[Maxximus 353]

"Cute piledriver, Punk"

- Kevin Steen

[ViciousPrism 177]

Nothing?

 

And also what is bad about two seasoned perfomers using a piledriver?

 

Cena's neck injury. The fact that even two seasoned performers could easily f*ck it up. (See Austin/Chono and ironically, Hart/Austin. Same botched piledriver. Karma exists.) and the fact that aside from Undertaker's Tombstone, all other piledriver variations are banned. For a while the Shooting Star Press was banned too. F*cking Kidman.

[Maxximus 353]

Different kind of piledriver. Way more risk with the reverse driver then the standard. Don't get me wrong, it's still risky, just not as much as some other variations.

[ViciousPrism 177]

Different kind of piledriver. Way more risk with the reverse driver then the standard. Don't get me wrong, it's still risky, just not as much as some other variations.

 

Yeah, that's true, but still there's still the stigma that it could still go wrong very easily.

[Maxximus 353]

Oh yeah, no doubt.

[dsrchris 190]

Nothing?

NO-THING.

 

Seriously, favourite PPV (and PPV match) in easily the last...wow, probably 20 something years for me.

 

And also what is bad about two seasoned perfomers using a piledriver?

 

It's just on the no-no list. Which I imagine they were more than aware of heading into the match. Truth be told my heart was in my mouth a little. We all know how sloppy the Punker can get from time to time...

[Guest Edgehead]

I was stunned when I saw that piledriver. Although not quite as stunned as when Cena hit that Rana :lol

[Guest Ciaran The King]

Wrestling is a risk but you can break you're bones doing the most simple tasks in life

[dsrchris 190]

Well yeah, but obviously the risk is exponentially greater for anything that involves you plummeting head first towards the floor.

[Guest John Hancock]

It's also the move that broke Steve Austin's neck. I think Chyna got super badly injured with one as well. They're banned over other moves because, whilst, if you mess up another move, you might hurt yourself, if you mess up a piledriver, there's a legitimately good chance you'll be paralysed or die. It's the same reason they banned the Shooting Star Press for a while, because that's another move where, if you mess it up, you break your neck. One of the general post-Benoit rules has been a real crackdown on moves that can easily cause serious neck damage.

 

It's not big deal from the WWE, they've pretty much always been illegal in lucha-libre as far as I know, and it was (and possibly still is) illegal in Memphis. I think the WWE's rule is that you have to be super strong to do it, because then you can hold the guy properly, which is why The Undertaker gets away with it, but Punk, as a guy with a serious reputation for not being particularly strong and f*cking up moves as it is, really shouldn't be trying it.

[ViciousPrism 177]

I'm not 100%, but I believe Chyna's one was just part of the RTC angle where they gave her a spike piledriver. But again, not 100%.

[Guest John Hancock]

Yeah, that sounds about right to me too. I'm going to cheat and look it up.

 

Bah, can't find it, so here's Austin almost dying;

 

[video=youtube;OKYYsg-jMfU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKYYsg-jMfU

[Guest Ciaran The King]

Although I agree with the points made by everyone about the dangers of certain moves but if done correctly then everyone should be okay

[Guest John Hancock]

And what if they don't do it correctly? That's like legalising driving at 100mph because, if you do it correctly, you won't hit anyone.

 

A piledriver is a really easy move to mess up and if you mess it up even slightly, it's incredibly dangerous. The WWE enforces a very sensible policy where only trusted guys like the Undertaker get permission to do it on a case by case basis, in the same way that Evan Bourne got permission to do the Shooting Star Press because he proved he could do it safely. It's not worth the risk of having sloppy guys like Punk, without permission (if that story's true), using moves with a track record for causing life-threatening injuries when it adds nothing to the match other than easy shock value.

[Guest Canned Heat]

Cena's STF should also be illegal. It just looks THAT stupid.

[Guest Fatherof10minis]

Michael Cole should be banned for not knowing an STF from a crossface. Stupidity

[Dead Crow 370]

WWE went hard on any move with a real danger of screwing someone's head or neck. The piledriver was the main move but I'm positive that there were others as well (the Brainbuster, I think, was one). I admire them taking a safety-first stance in light of injuries that have occurred, but Punk did a decent job of the move to be honest and it did actually add to the match. My only critique is that it was ultimately a nothing move. In 2013 WWE, a piledriver could be a storyline in waiting - a move ala the Orton punt which people are preconditioned to accept as an injury set up. Used correctly in angles, the piledriver could be huge again.