Brock Lesnar vs Randy Couture

[Guest SuperKick Kid]

Brock Lesnar could be part of the biggest MMA fight of the year if UFC is able to finalize negotiations with Randy Courture, who left the company nine months ago in a contract dispute. The Wrestling Observer website reports that Couture is negotiating a three-fight deal with UFC, and there are discussions regarding a Lesnar vs. Courture fight for November.

 

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[ShaolinHandLock 73]

This will be interesting if it happens.....

[Guest Jack]

I don't see Lesnar winning this one. The only part of his game which is at the same level at Couture's, is his wrestling. And Brock doesn't want to get on the ground with Couture, as neither his submission game or G'n'P is good enough to win there.

 

He needs to be fed more cans before taking on a guy of Couture's level, even if he is past it.

[Fidel Cashflow 130]

I don't see Lesnar winning this one. The only part of his game which is at the same level at Couture's, is his wrestling. And Brock doesn't want to get on the ground with Couture, as neither his submission game or G'n'P is good enough to win there.

 

He needs to be fed more cans before taking on a guy of Couture's level, even if he is past it.

 

I think your underestimating just how big and just how strong Lesnar is. I mean, he made Herring, who I used to consider a big heavy, look tiny, and the extent in which he physically dominated him was shocking. No his submission and G-n-P game is good, but his wrestling is out of this world.

 

The last time Randy faced a ground guy this large he was helpless as Barnett had his way with him. No, Brock isn't as well rounded as the Baby-Faced Assassin, but his strength, speed, and wrestling ability just seem incomperable to everyone else. It was him being overzealous that lead to his loss to Mir (who is probably the most oppurtunistic fighter, maybe ever). I don't think Randy can pull a knee bar out of his a**, as that's the sort of thing that will stop Brock.

[Guest Cathal]

Wow, that match could mean many many buys for UFC. Couture would most likely be the favourite but I wouldn't be surprised if Brock did actually win, the guy dominated Herring and made him look like the newcomer to the sport.

[Paul 584]

Yeah, I think Brock has the advantage standing up, and thats not a knock on Couture (I'm a huge fan of the guy). Plus I belive Brock would dominate the ground game.

 

My money would be on Lesnar for sure.

[Guest Nemesis Enforcer]

If Lesner treated him like he did Herring then I would say Brock would win for sure, Randy would need to slow Brock down and not let him just pound him down into oblivion like he did Herring

 

Would be a very good challenge for Brock if it did go ahead

[Guest Inno]

Couture all the way. The guy's just a freak, he's easily my fave UFC guy of all time.

[DC 536]

The scary thing with Lesnar isn't his power or size, it's his speed for a guy with his power and size. Usually, the bigger is a slower and more of a plodding fighter, but with Brock's amateur background coupled with his nasty streak, I can see it taking a very special fighter to take him out AND avoiding being taken to the floor (where, I believe, Brock can keep any fighter grounded and, at worst, nullified).

[Guest Dusty Finish]

Couture all the way. The guy's just a freak, he's easily my fave UFC guy of all time.

 

 

This man knows. Randy = The Greatest Man Alive.

 

Having said that, stylistically, any potential fight between the two does lend itself to Lesnar's immediate strengths. However, there's still too much that no-one knows about Lesnar's game to make any confident prediction that he'll win. Many have been quick to laud his stand-up game on the back of that one overhand right he caught Herring with. I'll go on record now and say that Couture would have the advantage standing. His footwork is far more advanced, and he'd doubtless work Lesnar into the fence and keep all exchanges short range (from where he should be able to stuff any takedown attempts), utilising dirty boxing to control the tempo.

 

Rule of thumb: never bet against "The Natural"!

[Fidel Cashflow 130]

This man knows. Randy = The Greatest Man Alive.

 

Having said that, stylistically, any potential fight between the two does lend itself to Lesnar's immediate strengths. However, there's still too much that no-one knows about Lesnar's game to make any confident prediction that he'll win. Many have been quick to laud his stand-up game on the back of that one overhand right he caught Herring with

 

Wasn't one. Whenever the fight was stand-up, he dominated a guy that is a stand-up specialist. That was a completely one sided affair. Brock could do nothing towards finishing the fight on the ground, but that didn't matter, as he pretty much put Herring (who's 6'4" 250lbs) where he wanted.

 

 

I'll go on record now and say that Couture would have the advantage standing. His footwork is far more advanced, and he'd doubtless work Lesnar into the fence and keep all exchanges short range (from where he should be able to stuff any takedown attempts), utilising dirty boxing to control the tempo.

See, that's the thing. I just don't know how Randy works Brock anywhere. You say he uses dirty boxing to control the tempo, how on earth will he summon the strength to control Brock in the clinch, and especially defend takedowns against someone with such a freakish combination of physical traits. To me, Randy's hope is Brock gassing himself and taking over the later rounds, or a quick submission. Otherwise, he's going to spend majority of the fight rolling around on the ground trying to escape Brock's smothering.

[Guest Al Stevens]

While I have tones of respect for Randy seeing how Brock manhandled Herring (who lets face it is a good fighter in his own right) shows that Brock learned his lesson from that defeat.

 

Personally it would be a good fight for me to watch because i like both of them

[The Fury 65]

nah, brock can't have this fight just yet. He will get mauled on the ground by Randy. Sure, brock may have the size advantage but everyone remember how couture killed sylvia and knocked him down in 5 seconds. Brock needs the likes of gonzaga, or McCully or even kongo to get more experience to fight a guy like randy.

 

Plus for anyone interested, strong rumour going round that couture/fedor may happen.

 

As shocking as it sounds rumors have surfaced again that Randy Couture could possibly fighter Fedor Emelianenko in the UFC's Octagon in early 2009. Sources close to MMAJunkie.com confirmed that the fight is being talked about.

 

It was reported late this week that Randy Couture and the UFC are talking again about a possible return to action in November against newcomer Brock Lesnar and now plans are already being put forth for his second fight if is he is to return.

 

Nothing is official at this time and it is a long shot for sure considering Affliction plans to have Emelianenko fight the winner of Andrei Arlovski and Josh Barnett. The news also comes hot off the heals of Affliction VP Tom Atencio announcing to MMANews.com that Fedor has extended his contract with the company

[Guest Dusty Finish]

See, that's the thing. I just don't know how Randy works Brock anywhere. You say he uses dirty boxing to control the tempo, how on earth will he summon the strength to control Brock in the clinch, and especially defend takedowns against someone with such a freakish combination of physical traits. To me, Randy's hope is Brock gassing himself and taking over the later rounds, or a quick submission. Otherwise, he's going to spend majority of the fight rolling around on the ground trying to escape Brock's smothering.

 

Herring was outwrestled by Jake O'Brien. Lesnar was an NCAA Champion, whereas Couture qualified for the Olympics- whole different kettle of fish. The most surreal aspect of Lesnar-Herring was watching one guy (Herring) give up his back and the other (Lesnar) not sink in hooks; there's no way he could fight the same fight on the ground against Couture, who would embarass him on that score.

 

As I said, stylistically this isn't the greatest fight for Couture, as Lesnar is strong in most of the aspects of the game at which Randy excells, with the extra added bonus of a significant strength & girth advantage. For this reason, I really believe any potential fight would be a "pick 'em", however the reason I lean towards Couture (in addition to the aforementioned and my admitted Randy-fanboyism) is because Brock has yet to try and stand with anyone with any competitive boxing experience (which Randy has from his time in the millitary), and no-one knows what kind of chin he has. If Couture can draw the fight into fence he can use a) the distance to negate any momentum behind Lesnar's shooting and b) the ring positioning to negate at least some of Lesnar's strength advantage.

 

I think Fury is right in saying that a McCully or Kongo would be a safer bet for Lesnar (I believe that Nog, Gonzaga and Werdum would all handle him fairly comfortably at this stage, and I'd give both Velasquez and Carwin an even chance too), however this potential fight is win-win for Zuffa:

 

Lesnar wins- credibility in spades, which he still requires with the MMA hardcores after his fluff against the washed-up Mir and casuals who likely found the Herring fight a snoozefest (see Machida, likely 3rd, possibly 4th in line for a title shot at 205lbs despite being the clear number one contender, and Jon Fitch, who had to wipe out everyone at welterweight before getting a title shot, on account of them not being "exciting" fighters). Also, the lustre of Randy vs Fedor for Affliction, M-1, whoever.... is severly damaged (I don't believe it will ever happen in the UFC; Dana will never co-promote after he got burned sending Chuck & Vitor over to PRIDE).

 

Couture wins- it's on to the unification fight with Nog. Lesnar loses little, as its Randy F'N Couture he lost to in his 4th ever fight, hence Zuffa can continue to promote him for a good while afterwards as the guy who will fight anyone (former champion, Herring on short notice, genuine legend, plus he was going to fight Coleman too).

[Guest Frank Botch]

Yeah good points there.I'd probably lean towards Couture too.He was outweighed by Sylvia and still controlled him everywhere.And his stand up against someone who was mainly a striker was superb.

 

I think a better fight for Brock would be Kongo which is what I think will happen but as was mentioned a Couture fight would be a no loss situation for Zuffa.

[DC 536]

Sure, brock may have the size advantage but everyone remember how couture killed sylvia and knocked him down in 5 seconds.

I'm not an expert on MMA, but Brock, IMO, brings more to the table than Sylvia (except experience). The size of Lesnar is only one facet of his game (and not even the most lethal; I still say that's his speed).

[Guest Nemesis Enforcer]

UFC has announced they will be holding a conference call this afternoon at 3:00 PM EST to make a major announcement. The announcement is expected to be that Randy Couture has come to terms on a contract and will make his UFC return to fight Brock Lesnar. If so, he will be facing off against the former WWE champ on November 15 in Portland, Oregon.

 

If everything goes through, this will likely be the biggest fight of Brock Lesnar’s career.

Crdit: Wrestlezone.com

 

So thats around 8pm tonight then UK time is it not?

[Guest SuperKick Kid]

Dana White just announced that on November 15th at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas it will be UFC Heavyweight Champion Randy Couture vs. Brock Lesnar. It will be a five-round fight for the title, and the winner will face the winner of December's Antonio Nogueira vs. Frank Mir Interim Title fight.

 

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[Fidel Cashflow 130]

UFC Heavyweight Champion Randy Couture?

 

Sure, he never lost the title, but then that kinda hangs Nog out to dry. No one else has left and then reclaimed their title. This interim champ thing Dana does is a cheap ploy for more hype.

[Guest SuperKick Kid]

Legally Randy is still champ.